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On this edition of Talking Bull, we team Max Verstappen up with Indy 500 winner and F1 legend Takuma Sato! We talk about their different paths into racing, their experiences of the podium and we’ve got a brilliant game of ‘Honda Bingo’ – they have to identify various Honda engines just by hearing them.
Summary
The episode features a lively conversation between Max Verstappen, Indy 500 and F1 legend Takuma Sato. They delve into various topics related to racing, technology, and their personal experiences.
* The episode begins with greetings and introductions of the participants: Max Verstappen, Takuma Sato. * They establish their locations: Max in Monaco, Takuma in Indianapolis, and host presumably in the studio.
**Indy 500 Victory:**
* The host congratulates Takuma on his recent Indy 500 victory. * Takuma expresses his joy and satisfaction at winning the race twice, especially after narrowly missing out eight years ago. * He highlights the emotional celebration with his team and the significance of the event despite the absence of spectators due to the pandemic. * Max shares his admiration for Takuma's achievement and mentions that he watched the race.
**Racing Backgrounds:**
* Host inquires about Max's exposure to IndyCar races. * Max confirms that he has watched IndyCar races, particularly the Indy 500, and finds the strategies and fuel management intriguing. * Takuma and Max reveal that they met at the Japanese Grand Prix in 2019. * They recall a special event at Honda R&D in Tochigi, where they had the opportunity to drive historic Formula One cars.
**Driving Experiences:**
* Max describes his experience driving a 1960s-era Honda RA272, emphasizing the challenges of manual shifting and the limited grip compared to modern cars. * Takuma shares his perspective on driving older Formula One cars, noting the restricted space and the absence of seatbelts in the early days. * He praises the mechanical precision and sound of the older engines.
**Racing Transitions:**
* Host asks Takuma about his transition from Formula One to IndyCar. * Takuma explains that he started racing late, at the age of 20, due to a lack of financial support and opportunities in Japan. * He credits the Suzuka Racing School with providing him a chance to pursue his racing ambitions. * Takuma highlights his journey through British Formula 3 and the significance of learning English to compete in Formula One.
**Formula One Memories:**
* Takuma reflects on his first Formula One experience at the 1987 Japanese Grand Prix, which inspired him to become a race car driver. * He shares his excitement about his first Formula One test with Eddie Jordan and the thrill of hearing the V10 engine screaming at high RPMs.
**IndyCar vs. Formula One:**
* Host asks Takuma about the differences between IndyCar and Formula One. * Takuma acknowledges the similarities in terms of speed and G-forces but emphasizes the unique challenges of oval tracks in IndyCar. * He describes the impressive sight of IndyCar drivers drifting through corners at high speeds. * Max expresses his interest in trying an IndyCar but admits his reluctance to race on ovals.
**Safety Innovations:**
* Host brings up the topic of safety innovations in racing, particularly the IndyCar aeroscreen. * Max and Takuma discuss the benefits of the aeroscreen in enhancing safety for drivers, reducing the risk of flying debris injuries. * Takuma emphasizes the improved visibility and comfort provided by the aeroscreen, comparing it to the open cockpit experience.
**Podium Experiences:**
* Host inquires about the podium experiences of Max and Takuma. * Takuma recalls his third-place finish in the 2004 Hungarian Grand Prix, describing it as an emotional moment and a highlight of his career. * Max shares his perspective on podium finishes, acknowledging the importance of appreciating the achievement regardless of the position. * He mentions the satisfaction of spraying champagne and the evolving designs of trophies over the years.
**Racing Amidst the Pandemic:**
* Host addresses the challenges of racing during the pandemic. * Max and Takuma express their gratitude for the opportunity to race despite the difficulties. * They acknowledge the absence of spectators but emphasize the importance of entertaining fans watching from home. * Max comments on the unusual feeling of racing in deserted circuits, comparing it to a test session.
**Honda Bingo:**
* The episode concludes with a game of "Honda Bingo," where Max and Takuma attempt to identify various engine sounds. * They correctly guess the MotoGP and Honda Civic engine sounds but struggle with others, including the IndyCar, Ridgeline truck, and lawnmower.
**1. The Journey of an Aspiring Artist:**
The podcast delves into the journey of an aspiring artist, exploring the challenges, triumphs, and sacrifices involved in pursuing a career in music. The artist reflects on their early days, the struggles of balancing creative aspirations with practical realities, and the unwavering passion that fuels their determination.
**2. The Creative Process and Inspiration:**
The discussion explores the creative process of the artist, shedding light on the sources of inspiration that shape their music. The artist shares their experiences and insights into how they find inspiration in everyday life, personal experiences, and the world around them. They emphasize the importance of authenticity and staying true to one's unique voice.
**3. Overcoming Obstacles and Achieving Success:**
The podcast delves into the obstacles and setbacks that the artist has faced on their journey. They discuss the challenges of navigating the music industry, dealing with criticism, and maintaining resilience in the face of adversity. The artist shares their strategies for overcoming these obstacles and highlights the importance of perseverance and self-belief.
**4. The Power of Collaboration and Community:**
Collaboration and community play a significant role in the artist's journey. The podcast explores the importance of building relationships with fellow artists, mentors, and industry professionals. The artist emphasizes the value of sharing ideas, learning from others, and creating a supportive network that fosters growth and creativity.
**5. The Impact of Music on Society:**
The discussion delves into the broader impact of music on society. The artist reflects on the power of music to connect people, transcend boundaries, and inspire change. They share their thoughts on the responsibility of artists to use their platform for positive influence and to address important social issues.
**Conclusion:**
The podcast concludes with a powerful message about the transformative power of music and the resilience of the human spirit. The artist encourages listeners to pursue their passions fearlessly, embrace challenges as opportunities for growth, and never give up on their dreams. They emphasize the importance of staying true to oneself, finding joy in the creative process, and using one's voice to make a positive impact on the world.
Raw Transcript with Timestamps
[00:00.000 -> 00:07.000] Hi there, this is Christian Horner. [00:07.000 -> 00:10.000] You've won the Austria Grand Prix! [00:10.000 -> 00:11.000] Hi, it's Alex Albon. [00:11.000 -> 00:16.000] Hi, I'm Max Verstappen and you're listening to the Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Podcast. [00:16.000 -> 00:19.000] Oh, this feels good! [00:21.000 -> 00:28.800] Hello and welcome to Talking Bull, the official Aston Martin Red Bull Racing podcast. Now, you know how we like to use the podcast to pull people together from [00:28.800 -> 00:32.720] different worlds who you wouldn't normally get a chance to hear from. Well, [00:32.720 -> 00:37.160] this episode is no exception. Please welcome to Talking Ball, it's our very [00:37.160 -> 00:42.680] own Max Verstappen and Indy 500 and F1 legend Takuma Sato. Now, this chat is [00:42.680 -> 00:45.960] truly international. Gentlemen, tell me whereabouts [00:45.960 -> 00:47.840] are you? Max, you're at home in Monaco, aren't you? [00:47.840 -> 00:48.840] Yeah, exactly. [00:48.840 -> 00:49.840] What have you been up to today? [00:49.840 -> 00:55.440] Not too much, actually. Pretty relaxing day. Bit of sim stuff, but that's it. [00:55.440 -> 00:57.800] And Takuma, you're in Indianapolis? [00:57.800 -> 01:03.480] We are, yeah. I'm in the Reho Team Shop, which is literally 15 minutes from Indianapolis [01:03.480 -> 01:05.160] Motor Speedway. so it's on [01:05.160 -> 01:06.160] our home base. [01:06.160 -> 01:09.080] Congratulations on the Indy 500 victory a few weeks ago. [01:09.080 -> 01:10.080] Thank you so much. [01:10.080 -> 01:11.400] How was that to win that again? [01:11.400 -> 01:15.000] Well it's just an amazing feeling, you know, not just once but twice. [01:15.000 -> 01:22.120] You know, selfishly of course you feel just an amazing feeling but this win was something [01:22.120 -> 01:25.920] that got perfectly excluded from the back-end eight years ago, [01:25.920 -> 01:28.320] which I couldn't deliver for this team for the winning. [01:28.320 -> 01:30.320] And finally, I was able to deliver it. [01:30.320 -> 01:33.200] And then having just a great celebration with the team, [01:33.200 -> 01:34.720] it is just nothing like it. [01:34.720 -> 01:37.440] Unfortunately, this year, of course, it's pandemic. [01:37.440 -> 01:39.040] We didn't have any spectator. [01:39.040 -> 01:40.800] Usually, here are 300,000 people. [01:40.800 -> 01:43.840] But still, I think, knowing that millions of people [01:43.840 -> 01:50.640] are watching through the television. So the Indy 500 is just something very very special event for us. Obviously you raced in [01:50.640 -> 01:55.440] Formula One and we'll have a chat about your your history with the sport in a little bit. Max do you [01:55.440 -> 02:01.520] follow any of the Indy races? I was watching the Indy 500 yeah so uh no it was very cool to watch [02:01.520 -> 02:06.700] and I don't get the whole picture but you know it's interesting to see the watch. I don't get the whole picture but it's interesting to see the strategies. [02:06.700 -> 02:11.480] I don't know how close the Kuma was with the fuel but it looked it was pretty much on the [02:11.480 -> 02:12.480] limit. [02:12.480 -> 02:16.960] It's very nice and impressive what the guys do around there. [02:16.960 -> 02:18.360] They achieve very high speeds. [02:18.360 -> 02:23.220] So you guys are both obviously connected through Honda and you met at the Japanese Grand Prix [02:23.220 -> 02:24.220] last year. [02:24.220 -> 02:25.200] Did you hit it off straight away? [02:25.200 -> 02:31.680] Yeah, we went quite well and before he heading to the Suzuka, we actually had a kind of a little [02:31.680 -> 02:37.680] event internally at Honda R&D in Tochigi. Of course, the Red Bull, the film that one, [02:37.680 -> 02:43.440] it's a spectacular film but also, you know, he drove a current Formula One car and I drove like [02:43.440 -> 02:48.900] something very old, you know, 60s and 70s Formula 1 cars, a Honda RA272. [02:48.900 -> 02:50.200] That was very, very special. [02:50.200 -> 02:55.900] And we didn't swap the car, but Max had a little taste of how the car looked like, [02:55.900 -> 02:58.100] and much older than his age. [02:58.100 -> 03:01.200] So it was a fun time and we had a chat, it was good. [03:01.200 -> 03:04.400] So yeah, we had a really good feeling and really well. [03:04.400 -> 03:05.960] How was it to drive that car, Max? [03:05.960 -> 03:07.160] It looked incredible. [03:07.160 -> 03:08.480] I mean, it's iconic, isn't it? [03:08.480 -> 03:11.400] Yeah, it was very different to what I was used to. [03:11.400 -> 03:14.080] I think one of the first times, of course, [03:14.080 -> 03:16.480] apart from driving a road car, but like it was a manual, [03:16.480 -> 03:17.800] you know, so you had to use a clutch. [03:17.800 -> 03:21.420] And yeah, it was a bit different, but I really enjoyed it. [03:21.420 -> 03:24.400] I mean, it's not very often that you get an opportunity [03:24.400 -> 03:26.760] to drive a car like that. [03:26.760 -> 03:28.540] Yeah, great experience. [03:28.540 -> 03:30.900] I did feel a bit big in the car, a bit tall, [03:30.900 -> 03:33.880] but I was happy that I could fit in the car. [03:33.880 -> 03:35.360] I mean, it looked quite restrictive. [03:35.360 -> 03:37.120] At one point, your elbows were kind of sticking out [03:37.120 -> 03:38.080] the sides a little bit. [03:38.080 -> 03:39.120] How was it to drive? [03:39.120 -> 03:42.640] Yeah, my arms didn't really fit that well in the car. [03:42.640 -> 03:44.500] So I was trying to get a comfortable position. [03:44.500 -> 03:46.080] And also when you had to shift, [03:46.960 -> 03:49.440] yeah, it was a bit difficult, but I managed to do it. [03:49.440 -> 03:51.120] But yeah, it was fun. [03:51.120 -> 03:52.880] Is that the oldest race car you've driven? [03:52.880 -> 03:55.280] I mean, of course you don't drive the car to the limit, [03:55.280 -> 03:57.840] but yeah, it's very different, very low grip. [03:57.840 -> 03:59.840] The car is moving around a bit more, [03:59.840 -> 04:01.440] but of course that's what you expect [04:01.440 -> 04:06.000] when the technology is like 40, 50 years apart. [04:06.000 -> 04:06.960] It was fun though, right? [04:06.960 -> 04:11.680] Well, absolutely. Yeah. Like I said, you don't get that opportunity very often. [04:11.680 -> 04:13.040] And so Kim, how did you find it? [04:13.040 -> 04:16.960] I found it very interesting. For me, it's a plenty of space, you know, no doubt. [04:18.560 -> 04:23.520] But these days, you know, you have to go straight on. So it's just the driving [04:23.520 -> 04:25.200] positions are quite different. And believe it or not, there is no seatbelt, you know to go straight on. So, it's just the driving position is quite different. [04:29.040 -> 04:29.400] And, you believe it or not, there is no seatbelt, you know, back in days. [04:34.920 -> 04:39.520] I cannot imagine how the guys actually driving on the limit, go through the Spa-Francorchamps, Nürburgring, on top of the hill, just hold your body, just [04:39.800 -> 04:41.280] pounding around all over the place. [04:41.280 -> 04:45.520] And, you know, you just can't imagine even in the 500 [04:45.520 -> 04:49.760] you know 100 years ago there's already 500 mile race and it was just this the [04:49.760 -> 04:55.480] concrete was not in the technology back then there was only bricks so you know [04:55.480 -> 04:59.680] imagine the cars go through there without seat belt but still achieving [04:59.680 -> 05:04.880] hundred some miles per hour which is just amazing but Honda correction hole [05:04.880 -> 05:07.240] it is always very impressed me [05:07.240 -> 05:09.640] because just all the single parts, like Max said, [05:09.640 -> 05:12.580] you know, 45, 50 years old, the part, [05:12.580 -> 05:15.880] they polish it and the alignment was just perfect. [05:15.880 -> 05:19.680] So it's just a masterpiece of engine and the gearbox, [05:19.680 -> 05:22.880] and you feel the car, so much dedication of it. [05:22.880 -> 05:26.640] So you just love the noise of the mechanical noise and sounds [05:26.640 -> 05:31.200] and just so beautiful so you have a big smile we both have a big smile when you drive it even [05:31.200 -> 05:36.720] even though it's just a let's say 60 or 70 percent or not even best you know probably 50 percent of [05:36.720 -> 05:42.400] the performance we can achieve but that was just a special feeling for that. And the sound is [05:42.400 -> 05:48.760] incredible isn't it I mean that's that's truly distinct. Yeah I mean it's only 1.5 litres and a V12, can you [05:48.760 -> 05:55.720] imagine? And the 11,000 rpm and yeah it's just a very very different, I think a [05:55.720 -> 05:59.400] good old days engine. A very special memory. The video of that's on the [05:59.400 -> 06:02.720] Aston Martin Red Bull Racing YouTube channel if you want to go and check it [06:02.720 -> 06:08.080] out. Let's have a quick chat about how you both started in racing. Max, we had you and your dad on the podcast a few weeks ago chatting [06:08.080 -> 06:13.520] about the dedication that it took traveling all around Europe to various races in your karting [06:13.520 -> 06:17.440] career. That's where you started, right? Yeah, I mean I started when I was four, four and a half. [06:18.480 -> 06:24.640] So early on, yeah, my whole life I saw already go karts from the beginning, racing karts, so [06:24.640 -> 06:25.000] that's what I wanted to do. Was it from the beginning, racing cars, so that's [06:25.000 -> 06:26.600] what I wanted to do. [06:26.600 -> 06:27.600] Was it the same for you growing up, Takuma? [06:27.600 -> 06:30.600] How did you get involved right at the very beginning of your career? [06:30.600 -> 06:32.360] Quite a bit different. [06:32.360 -> 06:37.240] I always jealous of how the max the environment was and I wish I had, but it's okay. [06:37.240 -> 06:40.060] So my parents had no idea for the racing whatsoever. [06:40.060 -> 06:44.960] So basically, I was crazy about cars, you know, when I was small, but then I know nothing [06:44.960 -> 06:45.720] about racing. So all I had was just basically a metal you know, when I was small, but then I know nothing about racing. [06:45.720 -> 06:48.200] So all I had was just basically a metal frame [06:48.200 -> 06:49.580] with two wheels and a push bike. [06:49.580 -> 06:53.060] So I was always pedaling up until 19 years old. [06:53.060 -> 06:57.640] So when I was 20, I went to the Suzuka Racing School, [06:57.640 -> 06:59.540] which had age restriction. [06:59.540 -> 07:01.140] So you had to be under 20 years old. [07:01.140 -> 07:04.380] So imagine, for me, it was the last and the only chance [07:04.380 -> 07:05.280] to involve any racing at that time. So I asked me, it was the last and only chance to involve [07:05.280 -> 07:09.800] any racing at that time. So I asked my parents, give me a chance, give me a shot. And then [07:09.800 -> 07:15.040] that's how I started. So yeah, I might start racing really late, but I was still passionate [07:15.040 -> 07:19.560] today simply because it's only 20 years gone past. And I think probably the same experience [07:19.560 -> 07:26.720] as Max when he raced in four years old, you know. So it's a pretty similar experience of the time being [07:26.720 -> 07:31.120] in a racing. And you raced in Macau and I think it was your British Formula 3, wasn't it, before [07:31.120 -> 07:35.520] Formula 1? Yeah, absolutely. So I went to the school. The reason I went to the school was [07:35.520 -> 07:41.920] just a scholarship system. So any driver who obviously didn't have any background for the [07:41.920 -> 07:50.000] racing as well with the financial support, Unfortunately, this sport, you need a lot of financial support. So the Suzuka Racing School has got a huge [07:50.000 -> 07:56.080] scholarship system. So you automatically go to the local junior formula. But then my dream [07:56.080 -> 08:01.400] at that time was a Formula One and I never lived outside of Japan. So I had zero English [08:01.400 -> 08:07.000] as well. So yeah, I decided to go to the UK and try and learn English and staying with home, you [08:07.000 -> 08:09.100] know, home staying as an English family. [08:09.100 -> 08:13.300] And then eventually, so British Formula 3 really made me happen to the Formula 1. [08:13.300 -> 08:16.220] So that was for me, it was just unforgettable memories. [08:16.220 -> 08:18.720] So what memories do you have of your Formula 1 career? [08:18.720 -> 08:20.160] What's the highlight for you? [08:20.160 -> 08:24.960] Well, first of all, I think it's just my first experience with any racing. [08:24.960 -> 08:27.280] It was back in 1987. [08:27.440 -> 08:32.480] You know, it sounds really old, but it is, you know, when I was 10, I went to the [08:32.480 -> 08:36.160] Suzuka. So that was the first Japanese Grand Prix held in Suzuka. [08:36.200 -> 08:40.120] So that memory was just like for me, it's just a fresh and fresh. [08:40.480 -> 08:45.000] So since then, my dream was just to become the race car driver. [08:45.000 -> 08:49.000] And then after 10 years passed, like I said, I went to the racing school. [08:49.000 -> 08:53.000] So my first really taste was during the British Formula 3 days. [08:53.000 -> 08:59.000] So after my first Macau, so Eddie Jordan gave me a phone call [08:59.000 -> 09:03.000] and gave me an opportunity to drive his Formula 1 car in Jerez. [09:03.000 -> 09:05.800] So that was just before the Christmas time. [09:05.800 -> 09:08.600] So for me, it was just an unbelievable Christmas present. [09:08.600 -> 09:14.600] I still remember just how the V10 was screaming at 18,000 rpm. [09:14.600 -> 09:17.600] And that was just an amazing, amazing experience for me. [09:17.600 -> 09:21.400] How did you find your transition to IndyCar after Formula 1? [09:21.400 -> 09:24.200] It is quite a bit different animal, as you can imagine. [09:24.200 -> 09:25.200] It looks similar but [09:25.200 -> 09:32.080] it's totally different but I was okay I was just so how can I say hungry for the new challenge and [09:32.080 -> 09:35.920] and I mean road course and street course is basically the same you know how you basically [09:35.920 -> 09:40.480] make most of it for the tyre so anything wheel on it you know we can drive you know either that [09:40.480 -> 09:45.220] was a Formula 3, Formula 4, then karting, IndyCar, Formula 1, it doesn't matter. [09:45.220 -> 09:50.240] But of course coming from Formula 1 in terms of speed, you know on the G-Force, yeah we [09:50.240 -> 09:51.840] had no allergy for that. [09:51.840 -> 09:56.540] But you know if you're standing inside of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, if you see [09:56.540 -> 10:01.840] the IndyCar going to the qualify, they are at 240 miles per hour, it's going into the [10:01.840 -> 10:05.320] corner and still car has got some slip angle and the car is just's going into the corner. And still car has got some slip angle, [10:05.320 -> 10:07.720] and the car's just drifting off to the corner. [10:07.720 -> 10:09.600] So that was something very impressive. [10:09.600 -> 10:11.640] So I was just a clean sheet of paper. [10:11.640 -> 10:13.720] I just wanted to absorb everything. [10:13.720 -> 10:15.680] So I tried to learn the things, [10:15.680 -> 10:17.840] so it's just forget about seven years of experience [10:17.840 -> 10:18.840] in Formula One. [10:18.840 -> 10:22.720] I was just to simply enjoy how to drive this car [10:22.720 -> 10:23.640] to go to the oval. [10:23.640 -> 10:27.440] That was a huge, huge satisfaction when you do that [10:27.440 -> 10:29.680] and had a mega feeling of it. [10:29.680 -> 10:32.120] Max, have you had an opportunity to drive an Indy car? [10:32.120 -> 10:34.080] Only on the simulator. [10:34.080 -> 10:35.880] Oh, right, how does it compare? [10:35.880 -> 10:37.480] Well, it just, yeah, like Takuma said, [10:37.480 -> 10:38.880] it's different, but it's fun. [10:38.880 -> 10:40.920] I mean, I enjoy driving a lot of different things. [10:40.920 -> 10:43.400] It's not that I only enjoy driving Formula One cars, [10:43.400 -> 10:49.360] you know, I also enjoy driving GT cars. Also, it's good to try different things because if you only drive Formula [10:49.360 -> 10:53.600] 1 cars, you get a bit stuck, you always drive the same thing. It's good, I think, to challenge [10:53.600 -> 10:57.840] yourself to try and learn different things. I think it will only make you a better driver. So, [10:57.840 -> 11:02.000] of course, I know that the simulator is not like the real thing because you don't have the g-forces [11:02.000 -> 11:05.440] and the wheel. Let's say you hit the wall on the [11:05.440 -> 11:10.160] simulator, you just press restart and you start over again like in real life. It's a lot more [11:10.160 -> 11:16.560] challenging but it's a great first impression and it's a lot of fun to drive already on the simulator. [11:16.560 -> 11:20.480] Would you like to ever go in the real thing at some stage? Yeah but I'm a little bit against [11:20.480 -> 11:25.600] ovals. I mean I enjoy probably the road courses but I prefer to do the ovals [11:25.600 -> 11:27.000] just on the simulator. [11:27.000 -> 11:30.680] No, fair enough. Takuma, do you miss driving in the wet? [11:30.680 -> 11:37.000] Yeah, I mean the wet is something a lot of fun, you know, you usually get. But unfortunately [11:37.000 -> 11:42.520] in oval, you know, we don't drive in the wet. But still we do for the road course and street [11:42.520 -> 11:45.960] courses. So she's always having fun and in a quite a bit we do for the road course and street courses, so she's always having fun [11:45.960 -> 11:51.300] and in a quite different environment for the race cars. [11:51.300 -> 11:54.200] Some UCs have good supplies too, so I like it wet. [11:54.200 -> 11:58.840] Now on the podcast we like to get into all the inventions that the Red Bull Advanced Technology [11:58.840 -> 12:00.520] Department have been looking into. [12:00.520 -> 12:02.600] Max, have you seen the Indy Aero screen? [12:02.600 -> 12:04.120] What do you make of that? [12:04.120 -> 12:07.000] Yeah, I mean it looks like a great thing for safety. [12:07.000 -> 12:11.000] And I think actually, I mean initially I had to get used to it a little bit, you know. [12:11.000 -> 12:17.000] I'm used to of course having the open cockpit, also with the halo initially I was a bit like, oh, it doesn't look good. [12:17.000 -> 12:21.000] But yeah, at the end of the day it's for safety and I think it does help a lot. [12:21.000 -> 12:25.520] So that's great to see. I just don't know, I guess it's a bit warm, right? [12:25.520 -> 12:26.400] In the car initially. [12:26.400 -> 12:27.960] Yeah, it's pretty warm. [12:27.960 -> 12:31.400] Somebody said it's 150 degrees in the cockpit. [12:31.400 -> 12:34.040] So although we have some ventilation [12:34.040 -> 12:36.320] and actually the ventilation through the helmet [12:36.320 -> 12:39.960] directly attached to the helmet, that works really well. [12:39.960 -> 12:42.600] Like more air than an open cockpit, [12:42.600 -> 12:44.360] but entire body of course, [12:44.360 -> 12:50.720] compared to the open cockpit, it's nothing like it. But Max, like you said, really just the safety is the [12:50.720 -> 12:55.720] first thing. So, you know, the only thing for our open cockpit, it is we're frightening [12:55.720 -> 13:01.080] for the flying debris, wasn't it? So it's always scary stuff for the flying debris, [13:01.080 -> 13:06.080] but now we protect it. So almost every direction we feel safe. So Max you jump in [13:06.080 -> 13:12.720] the IndyCar don't worry about wall hit the wall for the oval now it's very safe. Yeah yeah no I [13:12.720 -> 13:18.080] think yeah windscreen I think I really appreciate for the Red Bull technology because you know [13:18.080 -> 13:23.840] without them you know we wouldn't be have such a aero screen so it's great and I feel like a you [13:23.840 -> 13:25.880] know like a fighter, jet fighter [13:25.880 -> 13:31.320] pilot to just kind of cool looking. So I think a new generation wise, yeah, I think is pretty [13:31.320 -> 13:32.320] good stuff. [13:32.320 -> 13:35.760] So now you've got used to it, you wouldn't want to go back to not having it there. [13:35.760 -> 13:40.600] Like Max said, you know, is a halo and windscreen, it is safety device, you know, of course, [13:40.600 -> 13:46.360] preferably not to have it in terms of just the cosmetically. But, you know, I think safety is important. [13:46.360 -> 13:50.080] The one thing for the windscreen is so good about [13:50.080 -> 13:53.760] was just no busting and no, you know, turbulence basically. [13:53.760 -> 13:56.480] So you feel quite comfortable and quiet. [13:56.480 -> 14:00.160] And I believe that's the same way on a GT cars [14:00.160 -> 14:01.960] and a sports car too. [14:01.960 -> 14:04.480] You feel safe, even wet, you don't get wet. [14:04.480 -> 14:05.920] So that's one thing good. But of course, you wet, you don't get wet, so that's one thing good. [14:06.640 -> 14:11.520] But of course, you know, you feel the wind, you know, in an open cockpit, that's how effectively [14:11.520 -> 14:16.160] we've been growing up, so we still have a thrill on that. Now we can't have you both on the talking [14:16.160 -> 14:20.800] ball without having a quick chat about the F1 podium experience. Takuma, you experienced it [14:20.800 -> 14:28.000] with BAR in 2004, what was it like? It was just a fantastic feeling. It's just long waited for the podium. In fact, I was [14:28.000 -> 14:33.440] an Indian Police again for that one. But no, I just never forgot that just the whole cloud was [14:33.440 -> 14:39.120] just waving in front of you. And if you look at the boys, you know, for the team, which is [14:39.120 -> 14:46.280] crying and emotional and you know, they so, so much effort, so much dedication for every single piece [14:46.280 -> 14:48.820] of the parts as well as the drivers. [14:48.820 -> 14:50.860] And it just got one feeling. [14:50.860 -> 14:52.840] So it was just nothing like it. [14:52.840 -> 14:57.800] And that particular day, yeah, I mean, it was a, it was only third, but for me, it was [14:57.800 -> 15:03.640] just incredibly important moment and sharing with Michael Schumacher and Ruben Sparichel. [15:03.640 -> 15:05.400] Those days Ferrari was just dominant. [15:05.400 -> 15:09.800] And a bit like today, maybe Max, you're battling with the Mercedes [15:09.800 -> 15:14.400] and you know, third place, perhaps sometimes you got a winning feeling. [15:14.400 -> 15:17.000] So, you know, we were that kind of a situation. [15:17.000 -> 15:19.600] So, no, it was just a truly special moment. [15:19.600 -> 15:22.000] Max, it's a moment that fans look forward to. [15:22.000 -> 15:25.080] Is it something you still enjoy, what, stepping up onto those steps? [15:25.080 -> 15:27.080] Yeah, I mean, it's the most enjoyable, [15:27.080 -> 15:28.520] of course, the top step, [15:28.520 -> 15:30.840] but you also have to be realistic [15:30.840 -> 15:32.520] if it's possible or not, you know. [15:32.520 -> 15:34.760] Sometimes I'm also happy when I'm second or third, [15:34.760 -> 15:37.480] just because you know that you got the best out of it [15:37.480 -> 15:39.160] and, you know, the other team or whatever, [15:39.160 -> 15:40.440] it's just too dominant to beat. [15:40.440 -> 15:44.120] So you just have to appreciate the podium, that's for sure. [15:44.120 -> 15:45.000] I mean, it's always good to spray a bit of champagne. I was gonna say, do you prefer to spray it or drink it? have to appreciate the podium. That's for sure. I mean, it's always [15:45.000 -> 15:46.320] good to spray a bit of champagne. [15:46.320 -> 15:48.760] I was going to say, do you prefer to spray it or drink it? [15:48.760 -> 15:52.160] Depends on the occasion. I think on the podium, I prefer to spray it. [15:52.160 -> 15:55.360] Some of the trophies are getting quite elaborate these days, aren't they? Are there some that [15:55.360 -> 15:58.640] you treasure more than others? I'm trying to think of a polite way of saying this. Are [15:58.640 -> 16:01.280] there some that maybe get kind of pushed to the back of the cupboard? [16:01.280 -> 16:07.280] To be honest, I have to say the trophies were better 10 years ago, 15 years ago. If I look [16:07.280 -> 16:12.960] at the trophy wall at Milton Keynes, I think the trophies were a lot better back in the [16:12.960 -> 16:19.400] day. I think sometimes now they're a bit boring. But at the end of the day, I don't mind too [16:19.400 -> 16:30.360] much about the trophies. It's more important that you get the result, you know. I mean, I have them at home, the trophies, but I prefer to just remember the moment that you finished first, [16:30.360 -> 16:31.360] second or third. [16:31.360 -> 16:34.440] Now obviously you guys are both back racing now, things are obviously slightly different [16:34.440 -> 16:38.700] to what we'd normally expect from a racing calendar. How are you enjoying being back? [16:38.700 -> 16:40.440] The schedules are quite hectic, aren't they? [16:40.440 -> 16:46.440] I think we want to appreciate the situation that, you know, can actually [16:46.440 -> 16:50.680] race this season, which is a, which is very difficult. [16:50.680 -> 16:56.680] It's a lot of people commit and a lot of people support because imagine that a lot of Olympic [16:56.680 -> 17:01.280] athletes, for example, you know, they don't even have opportunity to perform this year [17:01.280 -> 17:06.280] due to pandemic, but we were able to do a race and even no spectator, [17:06.280 -> 17:07.480] which is obviously sad, [17:07.480 -> 17:09.840] but then knowing that through the TV, [17:09.840 -> 17:12.800] the millions of people watching it through the television [17:12.800 -> 17:14.840] safely at home, that's important. [17:14.840 -> 17:17.520] So, yeah, I mean, it's just kind of strange schedule. [17:17.520 -> 17:20.440] You know, we compressed the two days schedule [17:20.440 -> 17:21.280] with double header. [17:21.280 -> 17:25.600] So like practice, qualified race and qualified race just straight [17:25.600 -> 17:31.200] in that is always very challenging but we appreciate to be able to race this season [17:31.200 -> 17:37.200] hopefully go back to the normal lifetime and hopefully see you soon next year. Max how have [17:37.200 -> 17:43.280] you found racing in these deserted circuits? It feels a bit more like a test session or [17:43.280 -> 17:45.640] something you know when you're driving. [17:45.640 -> 17:48.800] But I think at the end of the day, we should be happy that we are able to drive again and [17:48.800 -> 17:51.740] that we can do more or less the whole season. [17:51.740 -> 17:55.040] Of course, it's a shame that the fans are not there, but also like Takuma said, you [17:55.040 -> 17:58.840] know, they're watching behind their TVs and we are still, of course, trying to create [17:58.840 -> 18:01.880] the best show possible and try to act as normal as possible. [18:01.880 -> 18:05.600] And yeah, we just have to deal with the situation we are in now. [18:05.600 -> 18:09.840] Of course, hopefully we can go back to normal very soon. [18:10.720 -> 18:14.560] I know some of the footballers have really struggled to get their heads in the right [18:14.560 -> 18:18.720] place before a match and during a game as well. It hasn't really felt like a big occasion, [18:18.720 -> 18:22.720] sometimes even when the match is a huge one. Have you experienced anything like that? [18:22.720 -> 18:29.600] Not really, to be honest. I think it's good that we put a helmet on so you can't see the face. We are on our own, you know, [18:29.600 -> 18:36.520] in the car. So once you go out, I personally feel the same. I mean, you miss the atmosphere, [18:36.520 -> 18:39.920] let's say when you're on the grid before you jump in the car. Normally, you know, you have [18:39.920 -> 18:46.480] the fans and I have to say, of course, in Russia, a little bit in Mijello we had fans around, [18:46.480 -> 18:49.800] which was very nice, but once I put my helmet on and I sit in the car, you go through all [18:49.800 -> 18:54.320] the procedures like you have done before and you just focus on your race because at the [18:54.320 -> 18:58.120] end of the day, the same thing is still happening. There are just not people watching you from [18:58.120 -> 19:00.760] the grandstands, but you know that they are watching from the TV. [19:00.760 -> 19:05.680] Takumi, you raced in Max's dad's final race in Formula 1. You were driving [19:05.680 -> 19:09.920] for BAR, he was an Imonade. What are your memories of Vios? Did he ever cut you up on [19:09.920 -> 19:19.960] the track? I feel very old now with that! It's okay. Well, I mean, I've been grown up [19:19.960 -> 19:26.720] watching the Formula 1 and all Max's dad'sadts, Jos, was a phenomenal driver, you know, challenging all [19:26.720 -> 19:34.240] the time and obviously there's a pleasure to race his dad and yeah 2003 was a bit of a last minute [19:34.240 -> 19:43.280] surprise. For example, so 2003 Suzuki, so on Thursday I was going to the Suzuki from Tokyo, [19:43.280 -> 19:45.720] so imagine that I was just getting into the Shinkansen boot train, and when I get in I was going to the Suzuka from Tokyo. So you imagine that I was just getting [19:45.720 -> 19:47.520] to the Shinkansen boot train. [19:47.520 -> 19:50.500] On the way I get in, I was just only a reserve driver [19:50.500 -> 19:51.800] and I had to get a phone call. [19:51.800 -> 19:55.760] And then on the way at Nagoya, when I jump off the car, [19:55.760 -> 19:56.820] I was become a race driver. [19:56.820 -> 20:00.480] So imagine it was just a such a last minute call. [20:00.480 -> 20:02.520] But then of course I know the environment, [20:02.520 -> 20:09.840] everything because in testing entire season with a team and driving a Suzuki at home crowd. [20:09.840 -> 20:11.500] And that was something very special. [20:11.500 -> 20:14.500] So yeah, I do remember very well that race. [20:14.500 -> 20:21.760] And yeah, something, a unique situation, that drive with Max Dutt at his final race there. [20:21.760 -> 20:25.440] And it was my entering first race with the BL Honda that day. [20:25.440 -> 20:30.160] And Takumi, you recently had a go at driving a coach as well, we saw on your Twitter. [20:30.160 -> 20:31.680] Is this perhaps a future career? [20:31.680 -> 20:40.240] Well yes, I'm supporting basically the racing school as a principal, which I certainly appreciate [20:40.240 -> 20:45.880] because that school essentially that's made me happen into this racing career [20:45.880 -> 20:51.680] like I described so in a racing school was everything for me at that time so [20:51.680 -> 20:56.360] supporting young you know next generation driver not just directly you [20:56.360 -> 21:00.040] know doing this that that you know for the breaking point etc etc that's that's [21:00.040 -> 21:03.520] not the point I think it's just the whole point you know while I'm still [21:03.520 -> 21:05.120] doing the racing today or the young driver can feed it's just the whole point, you know, while I'm still doing the racing today, [21:05.840 -> 21:11.520] all the young drivers can feel it, you know, how you achieve the target, how you're doing that, [21:11.520 -> 21:16.880] you know, with the age and environment and motivation, mentally, physically, both ways. [21:16.880 -> 21:22.160] And that's something I want to share with young drivers. And, you know, back to Japan, [21:22.160 -> 21:27.840] off-season, I often go to Suzuka and spend some time as much as possible, [21:27.840 -> 21:34.080] spending on drivers to see some of the sharing opinions. So that's very important and for sure [21:34.080 -> 21:40.400] that's not just a short-term thing, I think it's going to be hopefully long-term that I could [21:40.400 -> 21:44.560] support and something given back to the Honda. It's important to do. I want to round off very quickly, [21:44.560 -> 21:45.520] you both know your Honda engines of course, but I want to round off very quickly. You both know your [21:45.520 -> 21:49.520] Honda engines of course, but we want to find out how well you know them. [21:49.520 -> 21:53.840] We want to finish with a little game of Honda Bingo. We're going to play you some engine sound [21:53.840 -> 21:58.640] noises and we'd like you to work together to try and figure out what they are. Are you ready, [21:58.640 -> 21:59.520] gentlemen? Okay. [21:59.520 -> 22:00.640] Okay. Yeah. [22:00.640 -> 22:05.080] Let's play Honda Bingo. Here is the first engine. [22:05.080 -> 22:20.920] What do we reckon? [22:20.920 -> 22:22.840] That must be Takuma's engine at the moment. [22:22.840 -> 22:23.880] Takuma, do you agree? [22:23.880 -> 22:31.440] I reckon that's a current power unit. I think it's an IndyCar. You think? That's my feeling, I don't know. [22:31.440 -> 22:37.440] It's strange, it sounds like an engine dyno, but it does got some direct feeling on the car, [22:37.440 -> 22:43.280] so it's quite interesting to hear that, actually. I think it's a Formula One power unit. Max thinks [22:43.280 -> 22:45.800] my engine. There's disagreement here. [22:45.800 -> 22:46.800] Gentlemen, what are we going for? [22:46.800 -> 22:48.960] Is it Formula One or is it IndyCar? [22:48.960 -> 22:54.800] What I remember from when we go off throttle in F1, our engine makes more of a noise. [22:54.800 -> 22:58.480] The downshift, well, reminds me more of IndyCar, but... [22:58.480 -> 22:59.480] Yeah, probably. [22:59.480 -> 23:00.480] Maybe you're right. [23:00.480 -> 23:01.480] Maybe that's my engine. [23:01.480 -> 23:02.480] Yeah, that's your IndyCar engine. [23:02.480 -> 23:03.480] You're going for IndyCar. [23:03.480 -> 23:04.480] It is a Formula One car. [23:04.480 -> 23:05.000] What? Yeah, that's your IndyCar engine. [23:05.000 -> 23:08.000] You're going for IndyCar, it is a Formula 1 car. [23:08.000 -> 23:09.000] What? [23:09.000 -> 23:10.000] Yeah, apparently. [23:10.000 -> 23:17.000] I think, you know, when the RPMs come down, like, the kind of stuff, that feels like a [23:17.000 -> 23:18.000] Formula 1 engine. [23:18.000 -> 23:33.800] Okay, number two. Wow, it's a different engine noise, isn't it Max? [23:33.800 -> 23:34.800] Is it from a bike? [23:34.800 -> 23:35.800] Can we listen again? [23:35.800 -> 23:40.520] I think there is two different types of engines coming together. [23:40.520 -> 23:45.200] Yeah, that must be like a kind of a brand passing as well. [23:47.680 -> 23:50.960] Yeah, that's that's motorcycle isn't it? The first one definitely motorcycle. Yeah. [23:51.600 -> 23:53.840] Okay, we'll give you that. Well done guys. That's MotoGP. [23:54.560 -> 23:55.040] Yeah, yeah. [23:56.160 -> 24:14.080] Let's have a listen to that. Is that like the super GT or something? [24:14.080 -> 24:18.720] It's a lot of like a backcrash in the mechanical noise and from the gearbox it feels like GT [24:18.720 -> 24:19.720] car. [24:19.720 -> 24:22.000] Well that is an Indy car. [24:22.000 -> 24:24.120] It's an Indy car, bloody hell. [24:24.120 -> 24:26.000] Nah, what? Really? [24:26.000 -> 24:31.000] Yeah, didn't say they were going to be easy. Let's see if you can get number four. [24:36.000 -> 24:39.000] We had that one in GoFundMe. [24:39.000 -> 24:43.000] Yeah, it's a generator. That's a Honda generator, it must be. [24:43.000 -> 24:48.000] It's similar to a Honda generator. I'll give you one more go. [24:48.000 -> 24:49.000] Oh, a lawnmower. [24:49.000 -> 24:52.000] Well done, Max. Yes, that is a Honda lawnmower. [24:52.000 -> 24:55.000] We've got two more to go. Let's take a listen to number five. [25:01.000 -> 25:03.000] That must be an old car. [25:03.000 -> 25:08.760] Yeah, the Honda Civic. Well, straight isn't there? Yes, that, the Honda Civic. Well straight isn't there, yes that is the Honda Civic. [25:08.760 -> 25:11.680] And finally number six. [25:11.680 -> 25:19.240] Oh I know this one. [25:19.240 -> 25:20.240] NSX? [25:20.240 -> 25:21.240] No? [25:21.240 -> 25:23.360] Must be a different one then. [25:23.360 -> 25:25.840] Like a, is it an older car? [25:25.840 -> 25:27.480] Well, it's not a car. [25:27.480 -> 25:29.160] Oh, it's not a car. [25:29.160 -> 25:30.840] We're both quiet. [25:30.840 -> 25:31.840] A road bike? [25:31.840 -> 25:36.800] Well, it's not the Honda Jet. [25:36.800 -> 25:37.800] What else, Gamby? [25:37.800 -> 25:38.800] It sounds pretty good. [25:38.800 -> 25:41.320] I thought a road bike would be more responsive, you know? [25:41.320 -> 25:43.840] It would like, shoot up in RPM faster, so... [25:43.840 -> 25:45.680] Yeah. would be more responsive you know it would like shoot up an rpm faster so yeah. Can we hear it one more time? [25:51.920 -> 25:52.720] I have no clue. [25:55.600 -> 25:58.640] Yeah I mean it sounds like car but it's not car yeah I don't know. [25:59.200 -> 26:03.760] But I mean it's it's sort of somewhere between a car and a truck it's a Ridgeline truck. [26:03.760 -> 26:05.300] Oh okay I learned something new today. It's sort of somewhere between a car and a truck. It's a Ridgeline truck. Oh, okay. [26:06.500 -> 26:07.200] I learned something new today. [26:08.500 -> 26:08.600] Okay, let's have the results. [26:12.500 -> 26:12.700] I can tell you, you scored three out of six there, gentlemen. [26:14.000 -> 26:14.700] I'd say that's pretty positive. [26:16.200 -> 26:16.400] Well done for playing Honda Bingo. [26:17.200 -> 26:18.800] We tried at least. Thank you for talking to us on Talking Ball. [26:18.800 -> 26:19.300] Thank you. [26:19.300 -> 26:19.900] Thank you, guys. [26:19.900 -> 26:20.700] That was a lot of fun. [26:20.700 -> 26:21.500] It was fun, yeah. [26:21.500 -> 26:22.000] Very good. [26:22.000 -> 26:24.100] That's it for this edition of Talking Ball. [26:24.100 -> 26:26.400] Make sure you keep up with the latest from the team [26:26.400 -> 26:29.400] on all our socials and of course, redbullracing.com. [26:29.400 -> 26:32.000] We leave you with an exclusive track from Daily Chiefers. [26:32.000 -> 26:33.480] This is Window Tint. [26:33.480 -> 26:35.560] We'll be back soon with more exclusive content [26:35.560 -> 26:37.920] from the track, the paddock, and the factory. [26:37.920 -> 26:39.360] Until then, take care. [26:39.360 -> 26:42.440] ♪ I keep a window tint, yeah ♪ [26:42.440 -> 26:45.000] ♪ Fedss always tryna look up in it [26:45.000 -> 26:51.000] believe a young pimp, pimping on the low but I still, I still respect my women [26:51.000 -> 26:56.000] this ain't no gimmick, there ain't no limit, prime time like I'm done limit [26:56.000 -> 26:59.000] you can see how I'm living, I keep a window tint [26:59.000 -> 27:09.000] show me what you want, show me what you bout I've been drinking Don Perignon, I could vouch [27:09.000 -> 27:14.200] All my d*** with it, they be down, ready now If you really wanna joke around, I could burn [27:14.200 -> 27:17.800] it down like Armageddon You feel me, I'm popping up just like 50 [27:17.800 -> 27:21.600] You shiny suits just like Diddy Tubacalist bumping Biggie, I got your d*** [27:21.600 -> 27:27.100] Extra litty, not showing up less it's 50 thou In in my hand When I touch the stage, do embrace the crowd [27:27.100 -> 27:29.000] Take a bow, then I break it down [27:29.000 -> 27:30.800] Reinvest it now, freaky now [27:30.800 -> 27:33.100] She get freaky now, I'm the word around [27:33.100 -> 27:35.000] Move around, way I move around [27:35.000 -> 27:36.500] They can't touch me now, ay [27:36.500 -> 27:39.100] Heard they love my sound, how I put it down [27:39.100 -> 27:41.000] One of those tenets, I've been sinnin' [27:41.000 -> 27:43.200] I should seek forgiveness, I've been driven [27:43.200 -> 27:48.440] This redemption, this is full collision Competition, ain no context, this is not a written, every [27:48.440 -> 27:51.440] sentence It's a given, cajones bring the lyrics [27:51.440 -> 27:57.280] I keep a window tint they can't see in I dress fly, my friends is European [27:57.280 -> 28:03.600] I block guys, I'm not replying to DMs Need my face on the wall, my lyrics in museums [28:03.600 -> 28:05.000] I should probably santiate [28:05.000 -> 28:08.000] Dropped out of college, soon a legend in the game [28:08.000 -> 28:10.000] Tryna get this money cut off for the need [28:10.000 -> 28:14.000] I'm still rolling with gorillas, all my a** rock bait [28:14.000 -> 28:17.000] I got brothers in the ends, I don't do fake friends [28:17.000 -> 28:20.000] Had to cut a couple loose, they was moving like sketch [28:20.000 -> 28:23.000] I'm in NY with my set, 27 I rep [28:23.000 -> 28:26.000] All my n****s talented, get rich or get left I'm from LDN like I'm Steph, I don't write raps cause I'm in NY with my set, uh, 27 I rep, uh All my n***a talented, get rich or get left [28:26.000 -> 28:29.200] I'm from LDN like I'm Steph, I don't write raps cause I'm blessed, uh [28:29.200 -> 28:33.200] Smoke a rapper like Blem, you can't see me through these tents, uh [28:33.200 -> 28:36.800] I keep a window tint and it bends like I'm Calico [28:36.800 -> 28:38.400] All I do is, all I do is win, win [28:38.400 -> 28:41.200] It's blacker than me, ayy, press play then I freeze frame [28:41.200 -> 28:44.400] Tell me what do you see, ayy, hate but I reframe [28:44.400 -> 28:45.520] Talkin' bout me, wait, pause once then I freeze frame Tell me what do you see? I hate, hate but I reframe Talkin' bout me? [28:45.520 -> 28:48.520] Wait, pause once then I replay Talkin' bout me? [28:48.520 -> 28:50.020] If it's all the same I can't see? [28:50.020 -> 28:52.820] Shay, ghost ridin' that whip I'm all in that, I'm all in that [28:52.820 -> 28:55.820] I'm all about bread, I'm all about chips I water my wrist and darken my tense [28:55.820 -> 28:59.320] I'm out of that jam, not part of my drip I'm all in yo, all in my, all in my [28:59.320 -> 29:01.320] Kids with only one wish, you know what this is? [29:01.320 -> 29:03.320] I handle my biz, a bona fide player [29:03.320 -> 29:06.000] Bona fide player, bona fide player [29:06.000 -> 29:09.000] Wanna gang, tell them I'm a prayer [29:09.000 -> 29:12.000] Big d**k gang, tell them see ya later [29:12.000 -> 29:15.000] I'm at OEC, only thing I gotta say is [29:15.000 -> 29:18.000] Keep the windows tinted, hit it all up in the wizard [29:18.000 -> 29:21.000] If the world around me stinted, pretty women grinning [29:21.000 -> 29:24.000] Jump up, hold up in the elevator, 5% it [29:24.000 -> 29:25.800] Enjoy all the freshest minutes, you jump up all up in it They love the 5% and they're on the freshest linens [29:25.800 -> 29:27.300] You know how to get it, get it [29:27.300 -> 29:30.100] Big body like a Hummer, they see how I been in Honda [29:30.100 -> 29:33.200] Somebody hit that Dalai Lama, tell him I'm tryna fix my karma [29:33.200 -> 29:36.200] Skeletons all in my closets, keep them hidden from my mama [29:36.200 -> None] In the meantime keep at least 5 breeds to the east side like Obama What?