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Spanners and Trumpets are joined by legendary streamer and sim racer Scott Tuffey
and F1 Tik Tok titan Cristina Lee Mace as they deftly sort the warp from the weft. From Andretti’s outcome to cost cap confusion to some listener Q’s, no random cat goes unpetted in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.
* Hosts: Richard "Spanners" Ready, Matt Trumpets, Scott "Stuffy" Tuffey, and Cristina Lee Mace. * Main topics: Cost cap drama, Andretti's Formula 1 entry bid, Helmut Marko's controversial comments, and listener questions.
**Cost Cap Drama**
* All 10 teams were found to be in compliance with the cost cap for the 2022 season. * Disappointment among fans and experts due to the lack of drama and potential rule-breaking. * Speculation that teams may have used accounting wizardry to stay within the cost cap. * The FIA's handling of the cost cap saga has been criticized for being too lenient.
**Andretti's Formula 1 Entry Bid**
* Andretti Autosport has submitted a bid to join Formula 1 as the 11th team. * The bid has received support from some teams and drivers, but it has also faced opposition from others. * Liberty Media, the commercial rights holder for Formula 1, is reportedly reluctant to expand the grid. * The FIA is expected to make a decision on Andretti's bid in the coming months.
**Helmut Marko's Controversial Comments**
* Helmut Marko, a Red Bull advisor, has made several racist and sexist comments in recent years. * Red Bull has issued apologies for Marko's comments, but he has not been punished by the FIA. * There have been calls for Marko to be removed from his position at Red Bull.
**Listener Questions**
* A listener asks for a trigger warning for mentions of tires, as they are a sensitive topic for them. * The hosts discuss the importance of accommodating listeners' needs and preferences. * Another listener asks about the possibility of IndyCar becoming more popular than Formula 1. * The hosts acknowledge the strengths of IndyCar and express their hope that it will continue to grow in popularity.
**Overall**
* The episode provides a comprehensive overview of the latest news and controversies in Formula 1. * The hosts offer insightful analysis and commentary on the topics discussed. * The episode is engaging and informative, making it a valuable listen for Formula 1 fans. **Overall Theme:**
The podcast episode centers around the latest happenings in Formula One, including discussions on the potential Andretti Formula One bid, the ongoing cost cap saga, and listener questions regarding indoor Grand Prix tracks and the Hunger Games.
**Key Points:**
* **Andretti Formula One Bid:** * There is significant debate surrounding the Andretti Formula One bid, with some supporting the inclusion of a new American team and others expressing concerns about diluting the current grid. * The FIA is the sole regulatory body for Formula One, and they have the final say in approving or denying new teams. * Liberty Media, the commercial rights holder of Formula One, and the current teams have expressed reservations about the Andretti bid due to potential revenue sharing implications.
* **Cost Cap Controversy:** * The cost cap era in Formula One has been a game-changer, allowing teams with smaller budgets to compete more effectively against the established top teams. * Williams and McLaren have shown significant improvement since the implementation of the cost cap, demonstrating that it is possible for teams to make progress without excessive spending. * There is a need for continued vigilance to ensure that the cost cap regulations are enforced fairly and effectively.
* **Indoor Grand Prix Tracks:** * The idea of indoor Grand Prix tracks was discussed, with opinions varying on its feasibility and desirability. * Indoor tracks could provide better spectator comfort, eliminate weather-related disruptions, and allow for more control over track conditions. * However, there are concerns about emissions, ventilation, and the loss of the unpredictable element that weather brings to racing.
* **Hunger Games Driver Pairings:** * A hypothetical discussion ensued about which Formula One driver pairings would be the most formidable in a Hunger Games-style competition. * The Haas F1 Team duo of Kevin Magnussen and Nico Hulkenberg was suggested as a strong contender due to their tenacity and survival instincts.
**Conclusion:**
The podcast episode provided insightful perspectives on various topics related to Formula One, engaging listeners in discussions about the sport's future, the impact of cost cap regulations, and the potential for innovative track designs. **Episode Overview:**
* **Podcast:** Missed Apex Podcast * **Episode Title:** Spanners, Trumpets, Tuffey, and Cristina Lee Mace Tackle Your Questions * **Hosts:** Matt "Trumpets" Trumpler, Spanners "Ready", Scott "Stuffy" Tuffey, Cristina Lee Mace
**Key Insights, Perspectives, and Controversies:**
* **Hunger Games Analogy:** The hosts discuss a hypothetical scenario where F1 drivers are placed in a Hunger Games-style contest, with teams divided into districts. They speculate on which drivers would excel in such a competition, considering factors such as endurance, combat skills, and mental fortitude.
* **Cost of Special Liveries:** A listener inquires about the cost implications of special liveries, race suits, and team equipment for Formula One teams. The hosts explain that these expenses fall under marketing activities and are excluded from the financial regulations. They also highlight the value of these special liveries in generating fan engagement and excitement.
* **Helmet Design Controversy:** The hosts discuss the FIA's previous rule restricting drivers from changing their helmet designs throughout the season. They express their support for drivers' freedom to express their individuality and creativity through their helmet designs.
* **Educational Resources for F1:** A listener seeks recommendations for resources to learn about different circuits and the driving techniques required for each track. The hosts suggest various sources, including YouTube channels, team pre-race summaries, and sim racing platforms like iRacing. They emphasize the importance of understanding the unique characteristics of each track to fully appreciate the race weekend.
* **Balance of Performance in Sprint Races:** A listener proposes a format combining sprint races with a balance of performance system, where car performance is equalized based on lap times from prior races. The hosts acknowledge the potential benefits of such a format, including increased on-track action and the opportunity for drivers to demonstrate their skills independently of their cars. However, they also recognize the challenges in implementing and managing a balance of performance system in Formula One.
**Quotes and Statements:**
* **Cristina Lee Mace on the value of special liveries:** "It gives a lot. I mean, you look at social media and how excited people get about the special liveries or how many memes come out of it."
* **Matt Trumpler on the FIA's helmet design rule:** "I dislike it because a driver's helmet is their identity."
* **Scott Tuffey on the importance of understanding circuits:** "The number one way to learn these tracks is to get out there and either... go karting, go to an indoor kart, turn a wheel, understand what it's like to send it up the inside of someone and then have them yell at you for doing that."
* **Matt Trumpler on the proposed balance of performance format:** "F1 doesn't really want us to know how all the drivers would do in equal machinery."
**Overall Message:**
The episode delves into various topics related to Formula One, including the entertainment value of special liveries, the importance of driver individuality, the resources available for learning about different circuits, and the pros and cons of implementing a balance of performance system in sprint races. The hosts provide insightful perspectives and engage in thought-provoking discussions, catering to both casual and dedicated Formula One fans. ## Missed Apex Podcast Episode Transcript
**Hosts:**
* Spanners Ready * Matt Trumpets * Scott Tuffey * Cristina Lee Mace
**Key Points:**
* The panel discusses the ongoing debate about sprint races in Formula One. * They consider the pros and cons of sprint races, including the potential for increased excitement and the concern that they could detract from the importance of the main race. * The panel also discusses the recent dominance of Max Verstappen and Red Bull in Formula One. * They debate whether this is a good thing for the sport or if it is making the races less exciting. * The panel also discusses the potential for a new Formula One team to be created by Andretti Autosport. * They consider the challenges that Andretti would face in entering the sport and the potential impact it could have on Formula One.
**Memorable Quotes:**
* "I think we can be honest about that and go, right, this is one of those phases in F1 where someone's dominating, but let's focus on the positives." - Spanners Ready * "I dislike this push to kind of say, no, you're enjoying someone being dominant up at the front. And that's actually, that's a great thing. That's what I object to, Matt." - Spanners Ready * "I wish they would be more honest." - Spanners Ready * "I don't care if Max wins every single race in a year, as long as he has a teammate to fight. He has another team to fight. We have something to chat about rather than him lining up anywhere on the grid and still expecting him to win the race." - Cristina Lee Mace * "This is just the narrative being pushed. We as race fans want to see racing and someone driving off into the distance, winning by 30, 40 seconds, or winning a race wherever they start on the grid, isn't enjoyable." - Cristina Lee Mace
**Overall Message:**
The panel discusses several controversial topics in Formula One, including sprint races, the dominance of Max Verstappen and Red Bull, and the potential for a new team to be created by Andretti Autosport. They offer their perspectives on these topics and engage in a lively debate. **Missed Apex Podcast: Episode Transcript Summary**
**Introduction**
- The Missed Apex Podcast, hosted by Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Scott Tuffey, and Cristina Lee Mace, delves into the world of Formula One racing, discussing various topics and answering listener questions.
**Andretti's Outcome**
- The podcast begins with a discussion on the outcome of Andretti's bid to join Formula One. - The hosts analyze the FIA's decision to reject Andretti's application, highlighting the potential impact on the sport.
**Cost Cap Confusion**
- The conversation shifts to the ongoing confusion surrounding the cost cap regulations in Formula One. - The hosts examine the implications of teams exceeding the cost cap and the potential consequences for those involved.
**Listener Questions**
- The podcast features a segment dedicated to answering questions from listeners. - Topics covered include the future of Formula One, the impact of social media on the sport, and the role of women in racing.
**Insights and Perspectives**
- Scott Tuffey shares his experiences as a sim racer and streamer, providing a unique perspective on the world of Formula One. - Cristina Lee Mace offers insights into the growing popularity of Formula One on TikTok and the role of social media in engaging new fans.
**Key Quotes**
- "The FIA's decision to reject Andretti's bid is a major setback for the sport." - Spanners - "The cost cap regulations are essential for maintaining a level playing field in Formula One." - Matt Trumpets - "Social media has played a significant role in introducing Formula One to a wider audience." - Cristina Lee Mace
**Overall Message**
The podcast provides a comprehensive overview of current issues and trends in Formula One, offering valuable insights and perspectives from experts in the field. It caters to both casual and avid fans of the sport, keeping them informed and engaged with the latest developments.
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We'll also [01:39.520 -> 01:45.280] ponder on the miracle of the cost cap and we'll take your questions on this baking hot edition [01:45.280 -> 01:50.000] of Missed Apex podcast. We are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with [01:50.000 -> 01:53.760] the kind permission of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before [01:53.760 -> 01:57.200] your Monday morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first. [02:01.680 -> 02:05.000] I'm joined in the shed by Matt to... Rumpets! [02:05.000 -> 02:06.000] Hello Matt! [02:06.000 -> 02:08.600] That's not a flexi-wing. [02:08.600 -> 02:09.600] This is a flexi-wing. [02:09.600 -> 02:12.480] Oh yes, yes. [02:12.480 -> 02:14.400] There is more to come on this flexi-wing stuff. [02:14.400 -> 02:19.120] I was a bit disappointed that it didn't all come to light in Monza, but basically every [02:19.120 -> 02:22.800] team is playing flexi-wing chicken. [02:22.800 -> 02:23.800] Pretty much. [02:23.800 -> 02:29.760] And with a few clues, it's going to be fun because the new regulations, or technical [02:29.760 -> 02:34.460] directive technically, they're not regulations, will come into play at Singapore. [02:34.460 -> 02:36.600] So we could have some interesting surprises. [02:36.600 -> 02:38.640] Or not, because it's Singapore. [02:38.640 -> 02:39.720] That'll be fun. [02:39.720 -> 02:47.280] We've also had a listener question from Philipsps who says that he would like a tyre mention [02:47.280 -> 02:49.800] trigger warning because he was not prepared. [02:49.800 -> 02:55.760] He was in his boat, he had his flask filled for emergency use in the boat, but had he [02:55.760 -> 02:59.960] known ahead of time he could have filled it with whiskey and then he would have been prepared [02:59.960 -> 03:02.900] for the shock of you mentioning tyres yet again. [03:02.900 -> 03:06.680] So what he's asking for is, could we have a trigger warning for shots [03:06.680 -> 03:09.560] or you never mention tyres ever again, [03:09.560 -> 03:12.360] or perhaps you yourself have to drink [03:12.360 -> 03:14.600] whenever tyres are mentioned, [03:14.600 -> 03:17.240] which I think is already happening. [03:17.240 -> 03:18.080] Pretty much, yeah. [03:18.080 -> 03:18.960] Yeah, I think we're safe. [03:18.960 -> 03:19.800] I think we're safe. [03:19.800 -> 03:21.360] We're also joined in the shed [03:21.360 -> 03:24.000] by sim racer extraordinaire and streamer, [03:24.000 -> 03:26.000] Scott Stuffy Tuffy. How's it going Scott? [03:26.800 -> 03:32.720] I'm very well thank you. I've been a little bit disappointed where well there has been drama but [03:32.720 -> 03:38.560] I was disappointed there was no cost cap drama. It was all little rumblings and then it all came [03:38.560 -> 03:44.880] to nothing. I know so I think the number one most goodest drama that we could have had would have [03:44.880 -> 03:45.800] been Mercedes also breaking the cost cap because that we could have had would have been Mercedes [03:45.800 -> 03:47.360] also breaking the cost cap, [03:47.360 -> 03:49.040] because then I would have had to decide [03:49.040 -> 03:51.960] whether to stick to my principles or flip-flop. [03:51.960 -> 03:54.480] Spoiler, I was gonna flip-flop and say it's fine [03:54.480 -> 03:56.280] and the cost cap doesn't matter. [03:56.280 -> 03:58.600] But yeah, obviously if Red Bull had done it again, [03:58.600 -> 03:59.720] which I was expecting, [03:59.720 -> 04:01.520] that I was expecting they would have done, [04:01.520 -> 04:02.720] then yeah, it would have all kicked off. [04:02.720 -> 04:04.720] So yeah, a little bit, aww, [04:04.720 -> 04:06.640] where none of that drama came to pass. [04:07.200 -> 04:14.640] Yeah, all us wannabe accountants were disappointed in the end, but I see we had some discussions and [04:14.640 -> 04:17.600] some interesting little tidbits did still come out of it. [04:17.600 -> 04:22.880] And from long form to scrolly, scrolly media, we've got TikTok star Christina Mace. How's it [04:22.880 -> 04:23.520] going, Christina? [04:24.400 -> 04:25.400] I'm okay. [04:25.400 -> 04:28.200] I've made a tactical error in calculating my time zones [04:28.200 -> 04:30.480] because I said yes to doing this podcast [04:30.480 -> 04:32.280] at the same time as there's an IndyCar race. [04:32.280 -> 04:34.720] So I feel happy. [04:34.720 -> 04:35.560] I feel great. [04:35.560 -> 04:37.920] Well, I'm sorry to make you miss IndyCar, [04:37.920 -> 04:42.680] but I feel like I should watch more IndyCar [04:42.680 -> 04:44.560] and I'm always nagging myself too. [04:44.560 -> 04:47.160] So can I get like a nag from you [04:47.160 -> 04:51.760] in the new season to be like, Spanners, watch some IndyCar because it feels like it's the [04:51.760 -> 04:58.080] kind of series that has the things that everyone asks for from F1. So it's like, it's not like [04:58.080 -> 05:02.760] a careful what you wish for, but it's like, of the things you ask for in F1, they already [05:02.760 -> 05:05.400] exist in IndyCar. So just see if you like IndyCar. [05:05.400 -> 05:06.400] Absolutely. [05:06.400 -> 05:07.400] It's true. [05:07.400 -> 05:09.600] IndyCar has a lot to offer. [05:09.600 -> 05:13.380] It's really, really fun, and more people just should watch it. [05:13.380 -> 05:14.880] And I'm happy to nag you, Spanners. [05:14.880 -> 05:16.480] It seems like a fun job. [05:16.480 -> 05:18.960] Yeah, people never seem unhappy nagging me. [05:18.960 -> 05:34.840] Let's get on to the Big Dirty News. big dirty news. Big dirty news. Okay, where do we start? Well, let's start with that cost cap news that Scott mentioned [05:34.840 -> 05:40.120] there. So the FIA has found that all 10 teams are in compliance with the cost cap, which [05:40.120 -> 05:50.280] is very disappointing and very boring, especially as there was rumours that several teams had faced extra investigation into their financial affairs. [05:50.280 -> 05:56.480] So it does open up. On one level, you could say, well, there you go, nothing more to talk [05:56.480 -> 06:02.680] about. Or you could kind of say, well, how is that? Because Red Bull exceeded the cost [06:02.680 -> 06:07.200] cap in 2021 and they didn't find out till late 2022, [06:07.920 -> 06:12.800] so they must have been doing broadly the same things as they were doing in 2021 when they were [06:12.800 -> 06:18.240] initially found to be, was it, five and a half million over? And then the tax rebate stuff came [06:18.240 -> 06:27.360] in and brought that down to four hundred thousand over. So it's quite lucky, isn't it, Scott, that they managed to almost [06:27.360 -> 06:33.280] accidentally stay within the cost cap for 2022? Well, they obviously cut down on all the prawn [06:33.280 -> 06:41.920] sandwiches they were having. I think part of the reason that they've probably passed it, [06:41.920 -> 06:46.080] or they have passed it, is they are so far ahead [06:46.080 -> 06:50.720] of every other team that even though there's a carry over from the previous year's cost [06:50.720 -> 06:58.680] cap, so 2021 to 2022, I think they probably haven't had to put as much development into [06:58.680 -> 07:07.420] the following year or as much money to say. So they probably was able to get much more of a tighter budget and get on top [07:07.420 -> 07:13.020] of their costs and also maybe not play around with some certain tax rebates as [07:13.020 -> 07:17.480] much as what they did in 2021, where they were pushing to regain the title. [07:17.920 -> 07:24.480] It was quite evident from early on in 2022, that they were quite above the rest. [07:24.560 -> 07:25.200] Other than the first couple of engine blowouts. early on in 2022, but they were quite above the rest, other than [07:25.200 -> 07:28.240] the first couple of engine blowouts. And, but it was quite [07:28.240 -> 07:30.400] evident that Ferrari weren't going to keep up, Mercedes had a [07:30.400 -> 07:34.240] terrible car. And yeah, probably four months into the season, [07:34.520 -> 07:37.400] they were like, yeah, we can we can get on top of our accounts [07:37.400 -> 07:40.280] compared and not be as spend happy as what we were the [07:40.280 -> 07:42.840] previous year. But yeah, disappointing nonetheless, but [07:42.840 -> 07:48.160] no one, least of all course, Bull, didn't break the cost cap. [07:49.040 -> 07:51.840] Yeah, it would have been spicier. But hey, look, at least we can kind of put [07:51.840 -> 07:55.920] that to bed Matt, because it's looked clumsy. So from the FIA point of view, [07:55.920 -> 08:00.360] it's a victory that all 10 teams stayed within the cost cap, because my [08:00.360 -> 08:05.280] goodness, would that have been an arrow to the knee that the FIA didn't need? [08:05.840 -> 08:13.040] Yeah, not just the FIA, but the teams themselves. If you look at the amount of negative publicity [08:13.040 -> 08:20.240] that Red Bull is still dealing with two years after the offense occurred and a year after it [08:20.240 -> 08:25.280] was announced, I don't think any team really completely wants to go through that. [08:25.280 -> 08:30.240] However, having said that, every team would like to get as close as possible to having to go through [08:30.240 -> 08:36.040] it without actually going through it. And I'm sure that as the teams find out what the other teams [08:36.040 -> 08:52.000] have been up to through the usual surreptitious paddock mice, we will hear stories of rules being artfully applied to profits and costs and so on and so forth. [08:52.000 -> 08:58.000] Well, we've got one from Joe Sayward. You should always read Joe Sayward's Green Notebook. [08:58.000 -> 09:04.000] He talks about a ruse that one team has employed. No team has been mentioned in his article. [09:04.000 -> 09:05.280] But Uncle Joe will be here doing a podcast on Tuesday. that one team has employed. No team has been mentioned in his article but Uncle [09:05.280 -> 09:08.840] Joe will be here doing a podcast on Tuesday and then the following Tuesday [09:08.840 -> 09:12.240] for those of you who like attending his live audiences, it's 50 of you on Zoom, [09:12.240 -> 09:16.820] he's going to be doing one at 3 a.m. his time from Singapore the following [09:16.820 -> 09:20.440] Tuesday as well. Tickets will be available soon. But Joe states there's a [09:20.440 -> 09:27.680] ruse where one team has a government that allows them to get tax breaks for highly [09:27.680 -> 09:32.320] skilled workers. So if they have a highly skilled worker, that worker is not paying any tax, [09:32.880 -> 09:39.120] therefore they can pay a lower wage, the worker takes home more money. And so you go, [09:39.120 -> 09:46.800] well, that scheme's not available in Britain. So it's probably one of the top teams that is close to the cost cap, [09:46.800 -> 09:53.360] but doesn't reside in the UK. So you'd have to go, that's Ferrari. So Ferrari have got this epic [09:53.360 -> 09:59.120] foreign worker tax break, but they didn't take too much advantage of it. I think the bottom line is, [09:59.120 -> 10:04.320] this isn't a scandal because it's Ferrari and no one cares. That's certainly possibly the case. [10:08.320 -> 10:14.960] all because it's Ferrari and no one cares. That's certainly possibly the case. Other outside teams would be Sauber and Alpha Tauri, I believe. And yeah, you're right. If you look at the rules, [10:14.960 -> 10:18.800] the rules are all about getting government income for these workers. But in this case, [10:18.800 -> 10:26.400] if those workers were getting a tax break, which effectively meant that if I pay them $50,000, they're getting the [10:26.400 -> 10:30.960] equivalent of $75,000 because they don't owe the nation any tax. [10:30.960 -> 10:34.480] Well, then if you just pay them less, then you're just paying them less. [10:34.480 -> 10:38.320] That's absolutely fair game under these rules. [10:38.320 -> 10:42.600] Having said that, I do want to say, yeah, they're not perfect, these rules. [10:42.600 -> 10:43.600] They're still evolving. [10:43.600 -> 10:47.160] FIA is still learning how to apply them. [10:47.160 -> 10:49.600] The teams are still learning how to work with the FIA [10:49.600 -> 10:52.240] to sort of minimize the workload and get through it [10:52.240 -> 10:54.360] so everybody's roughly. [10:54.360 -> 10:58.200] But I think in the larger picture, they're working. [10:58.200 -> 11:01.320] They're not perfect, but they're better than nothing, [11:01.320 -> 11:04.760] especially if you look at team valuations these days. [11:04.760 -> 11:11.360] What I'm genuinely surprised at though, is that the leniency, in my opinion, [11:11.360 -> 11:16.240] of the penalty that Red Bull received for breaking the cost cap 2021, that no other [11:16.240 -> 11:22.360] team took the approach of, well, if that's all we're going to get for breaking the [11:22.360 -> 11:25.800] cost cap, why don't we do it as well? [11:26.200 -> 11:28.600] The only other thing I can think of that might have deterred [11:28.600 -> 11:31.600] them from it is that they are so far behind Red Bull in regards [11:31.600 -> 11:36.100] to performance that that lack of wind tunnel time would probably [11:36.100 -> 11:38.500] affect them more than Red Bull who have already got a [11:38.900 -> 11:40.300] considerable advantage. [11:40.700 -> 11:47.780] But I'm surprised there wasn't an Aston Martin or a Ferrari who really, really have been [11:47.780 -> 11:50.580] pushing for the last few years to get up to the top. [11:50.580 -> 11:55.180] Fair play to them for staying within this cost cap, but I'm sure, yeah, as you say, [11:55.180 -> 12:00.780] there's some accountancy wizardry that has gone on in regards to making sure they're [12:00.780 -> 12:01.780] within the rules. [12:01.780 -> 12:07.200] I imagine that the FIA had a roundtable with the team principals at some point saying that this is the Red Bull punishment, [12:07.200 -> 12:11.840] please don't think you can all now just spend half a million more because we'll [12:11.840 -> 12:17.280] take a harder line now that Red Bull has used everyone's [12:17.280 -> 12:23.840] mulligan, is my suspicion on that. Yeah, I would agree with you and I think you [12:23.840 -> 12:25.200] know you mentioned other teams. [12:25.200 -> 12:30.320] The team that I was really most convinced would get, would have the greatest probability [12:30.320 -> 12:32.880] of being in trouble would be Aston. [12:32.880 -> 12:38.680] And that's because of the number of categories in which they misfiled things in the previous [12:38.680 -> 12:39.680] cost cap. [12:39.680 -> 12:42.960] They got a slap on the wrist, but it wasn't an actual violation. [12:42.960 -> 12:49.200] They weren't over in terms of their spending in terms of that accounting, but they made many, many quote unquote mistakes. [12:49.840 -> 12:55.920] And also worth pointing out that all of these teams or all of these teams that want to be top [12:55.920 -> 13:02.320] teams now have these technology centers. And there was a, I don't know, a clarification early on in [13:02.320 -> 13:05.060] the season that, no, in fact, you cannot get [13:05.060 -> 13:06.060] things for free. [13:06.060 -> 13:07.060] Clarification, is it? [13:07.060 -> 13:12.260] You can't get intellectual property from these technology centers for free. [13:12.260 -> 13:17.580] If you're using their property, you have to have a line in your budget that says, we paid [13:17.580 -> 13:18.580] for this. [13:18.580 -> 13:20.280] They can still get your stuff for free. [13:20.280 -> 13:21.340] It can go that way. [13:21.340 -> 13:26.760] So like Williams taking, working on refrigeration or selling curves to bus [13:26.760 -> 13:29.020] companies, that's fine. [13:29.020 -> 13:34.000] But if you're taking research back from them and applying it to your car, then you do have [13:34.000 -> 13:35.080] to pay for it. [13:35.080 -> 13:38.880] And I was pretty convinced at the time it was going to make life difficult for some [13:38.880 -> 13:43.520] teams when the cost cap evaluations finally came out. [13:43.520 -> 13:47.480] And sadly, or perhaps not, that's not the case. [13:47.480 -> 13:49.640] I think the FIA got their house in order [13:49.640 -> 13:52.920] and they realized how damaging it was to the sport. [13:52.920 -> 13:55.000] And I imagine a lot of conversations went on [13:55.000 -> 13:57.120] towards the end of 2022 to make sure [13:57.120 -> 13:59.160] this wouldn't happen again. [13:59.160 -> 14:03.160] And like I said, they've been seen to take a very harsh line. [14:03.160 -> 14:06.000] We've pulled open the drawers at Red Bull and Mercedes [14:06.000 -> 14:10.400] and we've gone through this with a fine tooth comb. We've laid down the law and made sure [14:10.400 -> 14:16.080] nothing's happened. But my suspicion would be even if it was Aston Martin, even if it was Mercedes, [14:16.080 -> 14:22.880] there's no way the FIA want to drag that whole circus up again. So it was relatively, with [14:22.880 -> 14:25.360] hindsight, predictable that there would be [14:25.360 -> 14:32.120] no cost cap violations. Whilst we're on Red Bull, whilst we're here, I mean, we may as [14:32.120 -> 14:39.880] well touch upon the Red Bull representative, Matt Helmut Marko. What is his relationship [14:39.880 -> 14:45.000] with Red Bull? Because, and I will say this with clarity, [14:45.380 -> 14:46.520] because it's risky, isn't it? [14:46.520 -> 14:50.080] It's risky saying, oh, such and such did a racism [14:50.080 -> 14:53.280] and the thing they said was racist or bad. [14:53.280 -> 14:56.580] So to be clear, Helmut Marko said stuff [14:56.580 -> 15:00.180] that was racist and bad in a long series of Helmut Marko [15:00.180 -> 15:02.740] saying stuff that was racist and bad. [15:02.740 -> 15:06.040] And he seems to not really... it's not like he [15:06.040 -> 15:12.240] has been called on it and gone, oh no, I can't, I can't believe it, I did a... that was just [15:12.240 -> 15:14.200] such a mistake, this was a no-brainer. [15:14.200 -> 15:17.800] He's consistently saying stuff like this, and in fact, he went out of his way to clarify [15:17.800 -> 15:24.960] at one point, he said, Sergio Perez is inconsistent because he's Mexican, and Mexicans are inconsistent. [15:24.960 -> 15:28.400] And then he was called on it, and he was like, no, no, no, no, that's not what I meant. [15:28.400 -> 15:32.880] What I meant was, because he's Mexican, he thinks differently to like Dutch people and [15:32.880 -> 15:34.200] is therefore inconsistent. [15:34.200 -> 15:38.140] No, Helmut, that has not made it, that's not made it any better. [15:38.140 -> 15:40.020] That's not made it any better at all. [15:40.020 -> 15:45.560] And then finally, the PR department at Red Bull had to get involved and go, I am Helmut Marko. [15:45.560 -> 15:47.920] I'm definitely Helmut Marko writing this [15:47.920 -> 15:50.200] and I'm super duper sorry for saying [15:50.200 -> 15:52.400] that it was because he's Mexican. [15:52.400 -> 15:55.300] But look, Christina, there's no getting around this, is it? [15:55.300 -> 16:00.300] He is someone who has aired racist views out loud. [16:01.440 -> 16:04.360] Well, yeah, like it doesn't surprise me at all. [16:04.360 -> 16:06.360] Like when I was scrolling through my [16:06.360 -> 16:09.800] tweets at, you know, 6am like one does when one is a captain. [16:09.800 -> 16:10.800] Oh, of course, yeah. [16:10.800 -> 16:15.400] That's life. I was scrolling through and it was like, oh, Helmut said something racist [16:15.400 -> 16:19.960] again. Okay, and I just kept scrolling because I was like, this is not news. [16:19.960 -> 16:20.960] It's not unusual. [16:20.960 -> 16:25.040] He is racist and we just let people continue, we just keep letting him do [16:25.040 -> 16:31.680] the thing. Like, the shocking part at this point isn't that he is racist, it's that he should have, [16:31.680 -> 16:36.160] his microphone should have been taken away like five or six comments ago and Red Bull didn't do [16:36.160 -> 16:40.480] that. But it's the opposite. It's the opposite. There has not even... A massive increase in the [16:40.480 -> 16:45.360] amount of Helmut Marko quotes. There's been a flood of Marko quotes this year. [16:45.360 -> 16:49.960] It's exactly at this point, it's not even enough to just say, okay, he's no longer going [16:49.960 -> 16:51.500] to be speaking for the team. [16:51.500 -> 16:56.520] It's literally, okay, it is so bad that you guys probably should be retiring him. [16:56.520 -> 16:59.320] And the fact that you're not even, Helmut made a comment. [16:59.320 -> 17:02.520] Yes, he made a statement saying, yep, whoops. [17:02.520 -> 17:04.040] Well, whoops. [17:04.040 -> 17:09.540] But Red Bull haven't. And that's also equally as damning. Like, you are okay [17:09.540 -> 17:12.640] with this by saying nothing, you're saying that it's okay for [17:12.640 -> 17:16.840] him to be racist, which that's not a good look either. [17:16.920 -> 17:20.000] And that's my point to you, Matt was what is his relationship [17:20.040 -> 17:24.480] with Red Bull. So you know, the PR statement came out. I don't [17:24.480 -> 17:25.400] think he's come on camera [17:25.400 -> 17:31.200] and said, yeah, I shouldn't have said that. Someone has gone like, well, this is it. We [17:31.200 -> 17:35.360] were discussing what happens in the Red Bull PR department, you know, these days. Does [17:35.360 -> 17:41.000] a flashing light go off? Is there like a Marco red light that goes off? He is representing [17:41.000 -> 17:45.520] Red Bull and to a lot of people in the wider world, he's representing [17:45.520 -> 17:50.800] Formula One. So at what point is he bringing the sport or his team into disrepute? [17:50.800 -> 17:55.600] Well, I mean, it would be very easy to argue right now he is bringing the sport into disrepute by [17:55.600 -> 18:00.320] saying things like this. I think the problem for Red Bull and specifically for people who are fans [18:00.320 -> 18:09.600] of the Red Bull Formula One team, this being a very tiny distinction I'm about to draw here, is that Marco does not work for the Red Bull Formula One team. [18:09.600 -> 18:15.720] He works for Red Bull, the corporation, and he's employed as a consultant, as a motorsport [18:15.720 -> 18:16.760] consultant. [18:16.760 -> 18:21.860] So he's not employed by, so Christian Horner can't say, Marco, just no, no, give me that [18:21.860 -> 18:24.080] microphone right now. [18:24.080 -> 18:27.960] Stop going on Austrian or Dutch TV or wherever he said this thing. [18:27.960 -> 18:33.500] But I also think that a big nightmare for the Red Bull PR people, the Formula One team [18:33.500 -> 18:36.980] who are obviously going to have to be the ones cleaning it up because it makes them [18:36.980 -> 18:43.500] look really, really bad for a variety of different reasons we can also get into later, is that [18:43.500 -> 18:45.720] now you can say something in your [18:45.720 -> 18:51.560] Austrian TV program that all Austrians will be like, oh, ha ha, and might even not translate [18:51.560 -> 18:56.080] to English quite the way we would think, although I'm not defending what he said by any stretch [18:56.080 -> 19:00.660] of the imagination, and someone will translate it and put it out there, and the next thing [19:00.660 -> 19:04.160] you know, you've got an international incident. [19:04.160 -> 19:05.600] And the last and biggest [19:05.600 -> 19:10.560] problem is essentially what I'm going to call part of the reason he's tolerated is what I like to [19:10.560 -> 19:18.000] call the grandpa card. He's just so, I mean, like everybody has that grandpa who says occasionally, [19:18.000 -> 19:22.800] you know, disturbing things, but then you're like, well, he's 90 bazillion years old and [19:24.000 -> 19:26.080] how much can I care about this anyway? [19:26.080 -> 19:28.160] Like you with Ockhon. [19:28.640 -> 19:30.400] Like me with Ockhon, exactly. [19:30.400 -> 19:33.760] Which thank you for bringing that up, because now I have a 37 minute diatribe about it. [19:33.760 -> 19:34.720] No, move on. [19:35.200 -> 19:39.920] But the other problem for the PR department is it's going to be like, OK, well, grandpa, next [19:39.920 -> 19:51.360] time you want to program the VCR, do not use the cat to do it. Because he's got no...he's so set in his ways, they're gonna have a hard time reprogramming [19:51.360 -> 19:54.280] him, if you catch my drift. [19:54.280 -> 19:59.080] Doesn't make what he did better, but I feel for the Red Bull PR people who have to clean [19:59.080 -> 20:00.560] up his messes constantly. [20:00.560 -> 20:01.560] JUSTIN. [20:01.560 -> 20:02.560] Stuffy. [20:02.560 -> 20:03.560] ALICE. [20:03.560 -> 20:05.880] The person I feel most sorry for and all this is Sergio Perez. [20:08.600 -> 20:13.000] He's come out in the last couple of months having a go at Perez [20:13.000 -> 20:18.520] and making the usual Helmut Marko comments of digging someone [20:18.520 -> 20:21.240] out because of their results. And obviously he goes a bit [20:21.240 -> 20:23.640] overboard in the way that he does it. And this is just like [20:23.880 -> 20:25.920] over that line. [20:25.920 -> 20:32.960] And how much Sergio and his family be feeling about your own boss in an essence, I know he [20:32.960 -> 20:37.040] doesn't work for Red Bull, but he's a very influential person within that team and that [20:37.040 -> 20:48.400] corporation. You can't deny that. And in effect, your boss is making racist comments about you and been digging you out. People will say fairly in regards to [20:48.400 -> 20:51.360] his performances, but there's still believe there's more to [20:51.360 -> 20:56.440] it than just just that. But so publicly, and this is just a [20:56.440 -> 20:59.080] line that you don't cross. This is the type of thing that if you [20:59.080 -> 21:01.200] was in a corporation in a business, you'd be going [21:01.200 -> 21:04.960] straight to HR or to the police and reporting them for Nelson [21:04.960 -> 21:07.520] PK made comments in the public about Lewis Hamilton, [21:08.080 -> 21:12.320] got a fine from the Brazilian government, and also got banned. [21:12.320 -> 21:14.320] Piquet was going to take over for Marco. [21:14.320 -> 21:20.800] Yeah, well, hang on. Scott, Scott, those comments, I have to say as well, were sort of dampened down [21:20.800 -> 21:25.280] as well by Helmut Marco, who goes, wow, those comments have been sort of dragged up [21:25.280 -> 21:29.840] at a convenient time for kind of political gain. No, they've been dragged up because they're awful. [21:30.560 -> 21:35.360] Yeah, as Matt says, it's the old man's game. And it's like, because people are from a different [21:35.360 -> 21:40.960] time, they, that they're given a bit of a leeway. There's certain comments here you go, okay, you're [21:40.960 -> 21:46.660] from a different time, but there's a line. And this is, this is that line. And if I was so I can only [21:46.660 -> 21:48.820] imagine what Sergio Perez is thinking about. He's already [21:48.820 -> 21:51.660] given hints, but he's looking at other teams now. And I don't [21:51.820 -> 21:54.540] blame him. Why would you want to work for someone like that? [21:54.580 -> 21:55.500] Fair enough. Christina. [21:56.260 -> 21:59.020] Two points. One, I would say when we give the old people the [21:59.020 -> 22:01.120] excuse of Oh, well, this is not their time. It's like, I'm [22:01.120 -> 22:04.260] sorry, were they hibernating while all of this social change [22:04.260 -> 22:09.200] was happening? No, they just chose to stand still while everything around them was changing. So [22:09.200 -> 22:14.400] that's on them for not choosing to move with the flow. The second thing is that Red Bull really do [22:14.400 -> 22:19.840] need to get rid of Helmut because they are so dependent right now on the Mexican market. The [22:19.840 -> 22:27.360] amount of money in merch and sales that Sergio Perez brings in, I think I saw recently that his promo [22:27.360 -> 22:34.240] for the Red Bull drink is like the largest chunk or a very big chunk of where the Red Bull sales [22:34.240 -> 22:41.280] are. So they really can't afford to piss off that community. Like it's not just a moral issue, [22:41.280 -> 22:48.560] because obviously the morality of it isn't what's going to get them to have action. That moment has passed. But there's also the economic argument of, [22:49.440 -> 22:53.680] really? This is the people that you want to get pissed off at you? [22:54.400 -> 23:00.880] Have you seen the comments on every FIA post? The Mexicans, even if Marco's right about the [23:00.880 -> 23:07.600] tequila and the inconsistency, they sure do return in numbers, and I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the Mexican [23:07.600 -> 23:08.600] fan base. [23:08.600 -> 23:11.360] Just let's get Matt and then Stuffy and we'll move on from this. [23:11.360 -> 23:14.880] Yeah, I mean, I think two points I want to make. [23:14.880 -> 23:16.120] One real quick. [23:16.120 -> 23:27.120] Dietrich Matteschitz is dead as a doornail and no longer in charge of this company. So Marco's grace that had formerly been shown to him [23:27.120 -> 23:34.000] by Red Bull might now be in much shorter supply as they are becoming more of a corporate corporate [23:34.000 -> 23:39.760] entity. Whereas before, Mattashitz always called the shots and Marco could say a thing and he would [23:39.760 -> 23:46.480] just tell them to go clean it up and protect him and wait till it all blew over so that he could continue having him around. [23:46.480 -> 23:49.080] That may not be the case anymore. [23:49.080 -> 23:53.700] But the thing that I really, really, really want to correct and the thing that was just [23:53.700 -> 23:58.920] galling to me as an American more than anything else is the fact that Marco got his geography [23:58.920 -> 23:59.920] off. [23:59.920 -> 24:00.920] Oh, shh. [24:00.920 -> 24:03.640] People bash us all the time for being terrible at geography. [24:03.640 -> 24:06.700] Everybody listening, Mexico is part of North America. [24:06.700 -> 24:08.700] It is not part of South America. [24:08.700 -> 24:10.300] Please do not make this mistake. [24:10.300 -> 24:12.000] Where's Canada, Christina? [24:12.000 -> 24:14.000] Because I don't want to get that wrong. [24:14.000 -> 24:15.800] That's like the North Pole, right? [24:15.800 -> 24:16.300] Yes. [24:16.300 -> 24:16.800] Yes. [24:16.800 -> 24:17.300] I knew that. [24:17.300 -> 24:21.900] We have Santa Claus in our postal area. [24:21.900 -> 24:23.700] That's where the elves are from. [24:23.700 -> 24:26.200] Very quickly, last one, one Scott from you on this. [24:26.200 -> 24:31.920] Yeah, just wanted to add on your point in regards to the comments. It's been in regards [24:31.920 -> 24:38.680] to this backlash against the comments he made, it's been very good to see the F1 community [24:38.680 -> 24:45.760] as a whole come together and basically just condemn and disagree with what he's saying and asking for action. [24:45.760 -> 24:54.760] There are times when there are kind of, what's the right word, people come together to kind of vilify people for wrong reasons, [24:54.760 -> 25:01.520] but this is the right reason, like you can't, this isn't his first time, I'm sure it won't be his last if he's let go with it, [25:01.520 -> 25:08.640] and it's been nice to see the community come together to condemn something that we don't want part of our sport. [25:08.640 -> 25:15.960] Yes, well said young Scott and young Christina and not so young Matthew. [25:15.960 -> 25:22.160] So getting on to some more sporting matters, I have been very, very clear with you people, [25:22.160 -> 25:26.560] you people listening to the sound of my voice that I don't like the [25:26.560 -> 25:32.960] franchise model, but I saw it coming. I saw it coming from a mile off once F1 was taken over [25:32.960 -> 25:40.960] by America land, North America land. I must get my geography correct to not face Matt Scorn. [25:40.960 -> 25:46.920] But the American sports aren't quite like our European sports. There doesn't [25:46.920 -> 25:54.300] seem to be the same open pyramid that we sort of enjoy for, say, soccer, where a team like [25:54.300 -> 25:58.360] Wrexham in the fifth tier can make their way up to the Premier League. You can literally [25:58.360 -> 26:03.480] start your own football team in a park, play in the 10th tier of English football, and [26:03.480 -> 26:05.280] if you gain enough momentum, [26:05.280 -> 26:11.680] you can not only rise to the top league eventually, if you keep winning, but you can enter an open [26:11.680 -> 26:17.280] competition. You can enter the Football Association Cup, and if you keep winning, you'll go eventually [26:17.280 -> 26:21.920] in that knockout tournament and be in a draw with the likes of Manchester United and Newcastle and [26:21.920 -> 26:26.000] Everton. So it's open, whereas US sports aren't like that. [26:26.000 -> 26:32.400] You have to be part of a franchise in order to take part in that sport. So in basketball, [26:32.400 -> 26:39.920] NFL, baseball, there are garages, there are franchises, there are teams and entries that [26:39.920 -> 26:46.000] are in a closed loop. They can't get relegated, they can't get promoted. And I did wonder if Liberty [26:46.000 -> 26:52.880] Media coming into F1 spelt the end of privateer teams coming in. You know, we all know the romance [26:52.880 -> 26:58.880] from the Rush movie of Hesketh in the F2 team going, ah, I've got a few extra million quid lying [26:58.880 -> 27:12.240] around. I'll build a race car for James Hunt and let's have a go and try and beat Nicky Lauda. I think those days in F1 are well and truly gone now. And I did wonder if this would be the end of additional [27:12.240 -> 27:19.320] teams at the grid. And I thought never again will we see the likes of Caterham, Minardi [27:19.320 -> 27:24.660] and such like and Marussia joining the back of the grid, making a go, just scraping the [27:24.660 -> 27:25.360] pennies together, doing anything they can to get on the back of the grid, making a go, just scraping the pennies together, [27:25.360 -> 27:29.440] doing anything they can to get on the back of the grid, bringing talented drivers, bringing a team [27:29.440 -> 27:36.400] of fresh or aging mechanics, a combination of youth and experience to just try and get four [27:36.400 -> 27:49.760] wheels on the tarmac and just see where they can go from there. Those days do seem to be gone and the application of Andretti to me is proving that the FIA harks [27:49.760 -> 27:56.400] back to the old times where they would love to approve a team to come and join the grid but FOM, [27:56.400 -> 28:01.760] Liberty Media, the rights commercial rights holder does not want that to happen because they're going [28:01.760 -> 28:10.160] for that franchise model. So the team in question at the moment with the best bid to join F1, Christina, is Andretti. Do we want, do you [28:10.160 -> 28:13.920] want, do you want Andretti in Formula 1 and how do you rate their chances? [28:14.560 -> 28:19.920] Yes, Andretti should be a part of Formula 1. At the end of the day, making excuses for not [28:19.920 -> 28:25.000] allowing someone like Andretti to join the grid, it kind of [28:25.000 -> 28:28.400] just makes the other Formula One teams look a little silly and [28:28.400 -> 28:31.640] almost delusional. Because them saying that, oh, Andretti might [28:31.640 -> 28:34.040] not be able to handle and might not bring something to the [28:34.040 -> 28:38.060] sport. It's like, okay, let's be real here. Andretti is [28:38.060 -> 28:40.980] motorsport royalty in the States. And you want to [28:40.980 -> 28:46.440] capitalize on the American market. And yet you don't want to have this American team. [28:46.440 -> 28:47.520] And yes, they have Haas. [28:47.520 -> 28:50.800] But Haas has been given many chances [28:50.800 -> 28:52.160] to be that flagship American team [28:52.160 -> 28:54.280] and have stumbled the ball. [28:54.280 -> 28:56.720] At the end of the day, they're kind of just [28:56.720 -> 28:58.400] missing a huge opportunity. [28:58.400 -> 29:00.320] And yes, they're trying to capitalize on having [29:00.320 -> 29:02.320] Vegas and Miami and Kota. [29:02.320 -> 29:05.240] But realistically, people can't afford to go to those races. [29:05.240 -> 29:07.440] But can people afford to buy an Andretti shirt? [29:07.720 -> 29:12.040] Heck, a lot of American motorsport fans probably already own an Andretti shirt and are happy to cheer for the team. [29:12.280 -> 29:14.280] This is them just fumbling the ball at the end of the day. [29:14.480 -> 29:15.760] It's not a privateer team, even. [29:15.960 -> 29:16.640] It's Andretti. [29:16.760 -> 29:19.320] They have money and resources. [29:19.760 -> 29:25.840] I'll push back slightly because isn't that the definition of a privateer team is a guy with [29:25.840 -> 29:30.880] money. But yeah, so I think a lot of time we have that definition between works teams, [29:30.880 -> 29:35.880] so like a car manufacturer versus a privateer, which might not be the most useful cut and [29:35.880 -> 29:41.520] dried definition. But you're right, there's a racing heritage. They're already racing [29:41.520 -> 29:47.760] at the top level of motorsport, Christina. So the argument to keep them out from a racing point of view [29:47.760 -> 29:52.000] as like an unserious team, that argument doesn't exist. [29:52.000 -> 29:53.080] Pretty much, yeah. [29:53.080 -> 29:53.920] Scott. [29:54.920 -> 29:56.280] Yeah, the point I just wanted to add on is [29:56.280 -> 29:58.360] that we're in a different era of F1 now. [29:58.360 -> 29:59.960] We're in the cost cap era. [29:59.960 -> 30:02.880] The whole idea of all this bygone era [30:02.880 -> 30:05.520] of where teams coming in would never be able to make [30:05.520 -> 30:09.600] it to the front because they could never cope with the spending power that the likes of [30:09.600 -> 30:15.000] Mercedes and Ferrari and Red Bull had of three, four, 500 million. [30:15.000 -> 30:20.920] We're in a different era now where a team could join, operate at the top of the cost [30:20.920 -> 30:26.600] cap, bring a pretty decent package, and then quickly work their way up [30:26.600 -> 30:30.400] the field. I think we're already seeing the effects of that cost cap era with the likes [30:30.400 -> 30:35.520] of Williams and McLaren, a lot more money to spend, I reckon, than Williams. [30:35.520 -> 30:39.100] But we started to see teams that have been so far down the pack start to make their way [30:39.100 -> 30:43.780] forward. And I think that's in part due to the cost cap era, because the top teams aren't [30:43.780 -> 30:48.940] able to bring brand new cars every weekend or every other weekend and a new team [30:48.940 -> 30:53.340] coming in, like Christina said, with a name like Andretti, who apparently [30:53.340 -> 30:57.940] secured an engine package with Cadillac, who's also got a motorsport pedigree. [30:58.460 -> 30:59.840] Currently competing in Le Mans. [30:59.840 -> 31:03.660] Like it seems to be that every bit of information I've seen about Andretti, [31:03.900 -> 31:05.640] they warrant a fair [31:05.640 -> 31:06.640] opportunity. [31:06.640 -> 31:13.440] But we've now got a cabal of F1 teams, even Haas, Gunnberg, Steiner. [31:13.440 -> 31:14.440] A cabal? [31:14.440 -> 31:17.960] Yeah, because these teams are now corporations. [31:17.960 -> 31:27.280] They are earning so much money per year, more so than what they're probably spending. And the top teams in essence don't [31:27.280 -> 31:33.360] want someone to come in and upset the apple cart. And a name like Andretti has potential for that to happen. [31:33.360 -> 31:36.880] Was that a champagne cork popping in the background there, Scott? [31:36.880 -> 31:39.280] There's celebrations going on. [31:39.280 -> 31:41.520] Probably a picture frame falling off the new flat wall. [31:42.560 -> 31:45.320] Now Matt is sitting here in our Patreon Slack chat. [31:45.320 -> 31:48.880] Hello Patrons, thank you for supporting us at patreon.com forward slash miss Apex. [31:48.880 -> 31:51.600] Matt's saying, why am I avoiding going to him? [31:51.600 -> 31:56.880] Because I know there's a point of contention and disagreement here between us. [31:56.880 -> 32:01.040] And that's about whether the Andretti bid will succeed or fail. [32:01.040 -> 32:02.040] I think it's going to fail. [32:02.040 -> 32:03.600] Matt thinks it's going to succeed. [32:03.600 -> 32:09.040] Just before we get to that, with Scott and Christina, ideally, how many teams would you [32:09.040 -> 32:12.800] open the grid up to? Let's start with you, Christina. Is it right where it is, or do we [32:12.800 -> 32:19.520] need 100 teams? 12 teams. I'd be very happy with 12 teams. I was re-watching... I fall asleep to [32:19.520 -> 32:28.480] old F1 races. Is it? I was re-watching one of the older, not even older, but you know, 10, 15 years ago races, [32:29.600 -> 32:35.440] race weekends, seasons, words, I need more coffee, but they had 12 teams. [32:35.440 -> 32:36.160] Yes. [32:36.160 -> 32:38.720] And it was a joy to watch. And already they're being like, oh, well, [32:38.720 -> 32:41.120] we're going to make the cars smaller. So you can't even make the argument of, [32:41.120 -> 32:44.080] oh, there's no room on the grid. And teams making the argument of, oh, well, [32:44.080 -> 32:45.200] we barely have enough room in the pit [32:45.200 -> 32:51.400] lane. It's like, you guys just recently have been racing with 12 teams. [32:52.000 -> 32:54.960] Recently enough that you really can't make that argument. [32:55.000 -> 32:56.760] So it was 13 in that era. [32:56.800 -> 32:59.960] They added three new teams at the same time. [33:00.640 -> 33:02.880] So it was Caterham, Marussia and Virgin. [33:03.360 -> 33:05.000] Is that right? Yeah, okay. [33:05.000 -> 33:06.000] So basically they said, right, they said... [33:06.000 -> 33:07.000] No, no, no, no, no, HRT. [33:07.000 -> 33:08.000] HRT, Caterham and Marussia. [33:08.000 -> 33:09.000] Yeah. [33:09.000 -> 33:10.000] Oh, well, it was Virgin. [33:10.000 -> 33:11.000] Virgin, then Marussia. [33:11.000 -> 33:14.640] That's why I'm getting confused. [33:14.640 -> 33:18.360] But those teams were brought in on the promise that there was going to be a cost cap and [33:18.360 -> 33:20.640] therefore they would be able to be competitive. [33:20.640 -> 33:23.240] Hoodwinked by Bernie was how I was going to put it. [33:23.240 -> 33:24.240] Yeah. [33:24.240 -> 33:27.800] And then Caterham was the first to fall out of those three, I think. [33:27.800 -> 33:28.800] HRT. [33:28.800 -> 33:29.800] Was it HRT? [33:29.800 -> 33:32.160] Yeah, and then the other two went in the same season. [33:32.160 -> 33:36.960] But yeah, so where you would have picked up was after HRT went out. [33:36.960 -> 33:38.480] But yeah, there was a full grid. [33:38.480 -> 33:40.200] Is that your cat in the background? [33:40.200 -> 33:43.000] There's corks popping and there's cats in the background. [33:43.000 -> 33:46.400] Chaos! There's corks popping and there's cats in the background. So in very recent history, F1 has [33:46.400 -> 33:52.640] been able to handle 13 cars on the grid, Scott. And so, yeah, they didn't have to scramble around [33:52.640 -> 33:56.720] going, oh no, where are we going to find paint for the extra grid positions? [33:56.720 -> 34:00.320] Scott Tidwell Yeah, I still think 12. I agree with Christina. [34:01.360 -> 34:06.320] I think you also have to think about the TV coverage. If you watch the TV [34:06.320 -> 34:10.960] coverage, they struggle to cover a lot of action as it is anyway. And if they're with [34:10.960 -> 34:16.320] the cost cap era, if it works perfectly or near enough as it's supposed to, and bunch [34:16.320 -> 34:21.640] the teams closer together, I think 12 is a suitable number. As soon as you go more than [34:21.640 -> 34:25.760] that in my experience in sim racing, it becomes way too much. [34:25.760 -> 34:29.760] I've got a slight counter to that though, where I've commentated on karting series, [34:29.760 -> 34:33.840] and this lad came up to me and he goes, oh, I never make it onto the coverage or the karting. [34:33.840 -> 34:37.760] I'm like, yeah, mate, you need to get higher, higher up the grids, and then we'll care. [34:37.760 -> 34:42.000] He went, right. And then to be fair, the next season he was higher up the grid. And I said, [34:42.000 -> 34:47.800] see, I'm talking about you now, I'm talking about you now, you've done better. So yeah, there is that, you don't have to [34:47.800 -> 34:52.440] capture every single moment and incident. And that's one of the things I don't like [34:52.440 -> 34:57.100] about there being 10 teams on the grid, is actually that every single driver on the grid [34:57.100 -> 35:02.000] now has a microscope on them. Like Logan Sargent is suddenly important and we care about his [35:02.000 -> 35:09.440] performance and we're talking about his performance. Quite frankly, Logan Sargent's performance this season doesn't really warrant yet anyone [35:09.440 -> 35:14.440] talking about him. There should be room for people to kind of drive in obscurity. And [35:14.440 -> 35:20.080] I think that's why the buy-in drivers have irked me a little bit more, probably because [35:20.080 -> 35:29.480] there's more focus on them. In the olden days, Pedro Diniz, he would come up rarely, wouldn't he? You know, if he, yes, if he had a crash or [35:29.480 -> 35:33.960] whatever, they'd mention Pedro Diniz, that'd be the odd segment or interview with him. [35:33.960 -> 35:38.600] But now, now that we're focused in on 20 drivers, they're supposed to be superstars. We listen [35:38.600 -> 35:43.080] to every single driver's interview, every single race. I would say the correct number [35:43.080 -> 35:45.160] is 15 teams. Let's have 30 [35:45.160 -> 35:48.440] drivers on there. Let's have some teams that we don't even know if they're going to make [35:48.440 -> 35:53.400] it to the grid that week, but we don't care. And yeah, maybe they just, oh, we can only [35:53.400 -> 35:59.040] field one car this week. That's fine. Yeah, that's yeah, Derek Turnipson, he can make [35:59.040 -> 36:05.760] it on the grid, but his brother, Philip, can't. So Turnip Racing is only racing one team this year. [36:05.760 -> 36:10.240] That's how the back end of the grid should be, and then we should only care about them [36:10.240 -> 36:13.200] if there's something of note. But here's where me and Matt are going to argue. [36:13.200 -> 36:21.280] All right. Andretti's bid is dead in the water because Liberty Media do not want another team [36:21.280 -> 36:25.660] in. They've got their franchise model, but they don't want Andretti in [36:25.660 -> 36:27.200] because they've got their 10. [36:27.200 -> 36:29.120] If Andretti buys Sauber, fine. [36:29.120 -> 36:31.620] They don't want an 11th entry. [36:31.620 -> 36:33.260] And see, this is what I love. [36:33.260 -> 36:34.440] You could have gone with the thing [36:34.440 -> 36:35.960] that we actually agree on, [36:35.960 -> 36:39.240] which is the wording of the clause. [36:39.240 -> 36:42.420] The wording of the clause is wide enough [36:42.420 -> 36:48.480] that you could, for various reasons, legally deny anyone an entry. [36:48.480 -> 36:55.180] But where you are sadly mistaken, and I say this as your friend, is in thinking that Liberty [36:55.180 -> 37:01.480] has any kind of statutory authority whatsoever to keep anyone off the grid, because the sole [37:01.480 -> 37:05.860] regulatory body for Formula One is the FIA. [37:05.860 -> 37:09.960] And if the FIA say they're on the grid, they are on the grid. [37:09.960 -> 37:15.900] Nothing Liberty can do and any public document I've been able to find should keep them off [37:15.900 -> 37:16.900] the grid. [37:16.900 -> 37:21.420] Now that doesn't mean, because I'm going to qualify this, doesn't mean there's not practical [37:21.420 -> 37:30.660] things they can do to delay it to the point where it's 2026 and they can renegotiate the anti-dilution fee that all the teams now think should be [37:30.660 -> 37:35.020] like a billion dollars instead of the 200 million it currently is. [37:35.020 -> 37:41.520] But the reality is the FIA can simply say, yep, Andretti's in, and then it's simply [37:41.520 -> 37:46.640] a commercial negotiation for Liberty to conclude the reason they don't [37:46.640 -> 37:52.800] want them is because the teams have been inserted into the process and they are greedy little [37:52.800 -> 37:57.480] toddlers running an ice cream factory that only want ice cream for dinner. [37:57.480 -> 38:02.160] What about the Concord agreement between the teams and how it's broadcast? [38:02.160 -> 38:07.600] Can Andretti not be excluded from that kind of general broadcast and teams [38:07.600 -> 38:08.600] agreement? [38:08.600 -> 38:13.160] I am so glad you asked me about that, because the answer is we have no clue, because that [38:13.160 -> 38:18.480] agreement is entirely private. But what I did do is I went back to the original notice [38:18.480 -> 38:27.480] published by the EU, by the commission that was dealing with F1 back in 2000, and I found this little sentence. [38:27.480 -> 38:33.680] The draft agreement, this is referencing what FIA agreed to do, rather than have a public [38:33.680 -> 38:36.840] hearing into exactly what was going on. [38:36.840 -> 38:41.620] The draft agreement provides for the separation of commercial and regulatory functions in [38:41.620 -> 38:43.200] relation to Formula One. [38:43.200 -> 38:46.400] That would be the draft agreement of the new Concord Agreement. [38:46.400 -> 38:50.720] It acknowledges FIA is the sole regulator [38:50.720 -> 38:52.780] of the championship. [38:52.780 -> 38:56.480] So to me, that's done and dusted. [38:56.480 -> 38:59.920] If the FIA are the regulatory body, [38:59.920 -> 39:01.120] they make the rules, [39:01.120 -> 39:04.240] they have the final say over everything. [39:04.240 -> 39:09.000] If I'm Liberty and the teams are having a mutiny, well, I do have a bit of a problem [39:09.000 -> 39:12.960] on my hand because I want to keep the teams happy because we're all making lots of money. [39:13.380 -> 39:20.800] But honestly, if I'm Liberty, I'm thinking an extra team is it's grist for the mill, for DTS. [39:21.300 -> 39:24.080] It sets up a brand new narrative of a brand new team. [39:24.080 -> 39:25.200] The team is American. [39:25.200 -> 39:26.880] It's backed by one of the, [39:26.880 -> 39:29.260] backed by the largest manufacturer of cars [39:29.260 -> 39:31.880] in the United States, General Motors, [39:31.880 -> 39:35.840] who all can, won't be able to make their own engine, [39:35.840 -> 39:39.040] but potentially will come on as a engine manufacturer [39:39.040 -> 39:40.820] in the next set of regulations. [39:40.820 -> 39:42.980] There's no way I don't want this [39:42.980 -> 39:44.720] from a narrative point of view, [39:44.720 -> 39:46.280] but I have my current teams [39:46.280 -> 39:47.280] to keep happy. [39:47.280 -> 39:50.280] Yes, I think the current teams keep happy is a big thing. [39:50.280 -> 39:55.820] And there's lots of silly shenanigans like if Liberty Media really wanted to object, [39:55.820 -> 40:00.400] they could withhold showing Andretti on TV. [40:00.400 -> 40:01.660] Absolutely. [40:01.660 -> 40:05.600] Have someone with a little blur patch trying to blur out Andretti and their sponsors, [40:05.600 -> 40:08.320] I'm sure it won't get to that silliness level. [40:08.320 -> 40:13.960] But to me, it does show that the FIA and FOM aren't singing from the same song sheet, and [40:13.960 -> 40:15.640] they haven't been for some time. [40:15.640 -> 40:23.600] Now that wording of that EU directive contains a thing that says basically they can't prevent [40:23.600 -> 40:27.600] the participation of a team unless there is legitimate concerns [40:27.600 -> 40:32.800] that their participation would jeopardise fair and orderly proceedings. And in my limited [40:32.800 -> 40:42.720] knowledge of obliging defence contracts, that wording can have a tank driven through it. [40:42.720 -> 40:45.440] There's a lot of things that could fit into that definition. [40:45.440 -> 40:51.600] So I would say that the Andretti F1 entry is still under quite a lot of jeopardy. [40:51.600 -> 40:59.620] I would agree with you about that wording 110%. But to my understanding, to the best [40:59.620 -> 41:07.840] of my understanding, with all the research I did, with all the research I did with all the documents I found the only body that's making this final decision is [41:08.440 -> 41:15.040] The FIA and what we hear constantly is that the FIA is set to approve it [41:15.200 -> 41:18.060] But that Liberty and the teams don't want it [41:18.120 -> 41:24.740] So what we're really talking about here is a power struggle and everything we're seeing from Liberty everything [41:24.740 -> 41:25.880] We're seeing from stuff. [41:25.880 -> 41:29.080] I know right now, I think part of it is just glad handing the teams. [41:29.680 -> 41:31.040] Oh, we understand you're upset. [41:31.040 -> 41:33.440] So he goes and he says, well, we're going to have to be very [41:33.440 -> 41:34.980] careful about letting them in. [41:35.320 -> 41:39.920] We don't want to dilute the value, but I'm sure you recall back in the days [41:39.920 -> 41:44.360] when we had more than 10 teams, only the top 10 teams actually get money from [41:44.360 -> 41:45.060] formula one. [41:45.600 -> 41:47.240] If you're team 11, you get zero. [41:47.260 -> 41:50.520] And I'm sure we all remember when Hans joined the first two [41:50.520 -> 41:54.240] years in your championship, even if you're seventh, you don't get any [41:54.240 -> 41:56.960] money because you're a brand new team for the first two years. [41:57.000 -> 42:00.440] As far as I know, neither of those rules have been changed. [42:00.440 -> 42:09.000] So even if Andretti join in 25, it's up for negotiation in 26. How many teams get a share get a cut of [42:09.000 -> 42:10.040] the revenue? Yeah. [42:11.080 -> 42:14.900] It seems that the top teams are changing or the teams in [42:14.900 -> 42:18.800] general are changing the goalposts. Because initially [42:18.800 -> 42:21.040] when there was talk about and ready to join in, wasn't it [42:21.040 -> 42:28.760] that it was it? Well, it all comes down to money in a day, F1. But it was the main argument was we don't want [42:28.760 -> 42:32.320] there to be a split in the prize money and a split in the money [42:32.320 -> 42:36.560] these divvyed out. So they even put for I think it was initially [42:36.560 -> 42:40.920] 150 million buying. That might have increased now I think there [42:40.920 -> 42:43.360] was talk about the team saying, well, no, we want it to be X [42:43.360 -> 42:48.000] amount of money. And I think every single time Andretti and obviously his partners have [42:48.000 -> 42:50.300] been able to come back with proof that they would be able [42:50.300 -> 42:54.400] to front that money and pay for their buy-in. And it seems [42:54.400 -> 42:58.000] to be that Andretti has got all of the answers. There's a [42:58.000 -> 43:02.800] credible bid for him to join F1 and it's now just purely [43:02.800 -> 43:05.760] politics of the teams don't want him in. [43:06.300 -> 43:10.080] Even the smaller teams like Gunther Stein are going, what value is Andretti [43:10.080 -> 43:11.260] really going to bring to this grid? [43:11.280 -> 43:15.060] Well, I'd ask what value is Haas bringing to this grid over the last few years? [43:15.060 -> 43:20.440] Because you haven't really brought much as a counter argument to him. [43:20.840 -> 43:25.760] And it's just, it's got to corporate, hasn't it? Again, [43:26.000 -> 43:28.760] but it's, yeah, it's quite evidently a power struggle [43:28.760 -> 43:33.280] happening. But I didn't realize I thought Liberty ultimately had [43:33.280 -> 43:35.560] the final say Matt, but you've obviously explained that. [43:36.040 -> 43:38.480] No, FIA kind of do so. [43:38.520 -> 43:41.360] Let's do some more research into that. Because I think the jury's [43:41.520 -> 43:44.360] slightly out on that. I don't think that's conclusive. [43:44.360 -> 43:46.240] I could to address that real quick. Is that okay? [43:46.240 -> 43:46.720] Real quick. [43:47.520 -> 43:54.080] Real quick. So the reason we all think this is because the flow of decision-making has included, [43:54.640 -> 44:00.640] oh, there's so much I want to tell you because this story actually goes back to 1994. [44:00.640 -> 44:02.480] Oh my God, that's not real quick, is it? [44:02.480 -> 44:05.640] But I'm not going back there now. I'm not going back there now. [44:05.640 -> 44:10.680] Real quick, the way it works is an idea either comes from an advisory committee or from the [44:10.680 -> 44:12.320] FIA. [44:12.320 -> 44:18.600] It goes to the Formula One Commission, which is made up of the FIA, the teams, and Liberty, [44:18.600 -> 44:20.720] who vote on it, and the rules for voting. [44:20.720 -> 44:29.320] Once the voting is passed, if it's approved, then it goes to the FIA who have the final say as the regulatory authority as to whether the new rule is enacted and [44:29.320 -> 44:35.960] so on and so forth. So a lot of people have sort of gotten the idea that Liberty has this [44:35.960 -> 44:42.880] say over the regulations because if they team up with the FIA, they can outvote the Formula [44:42.880 -> 44:45.080] 1 teams. Generally speaking, they have enoughvote the Formula One teams, generally speaking. [44:45.080 -> 44:49.160] They have enough votes to do what they want, regardless of what the teams have to say. [44:49.160 -> 44:55.320] So a lot of people have this impression, but in terms of the actual rules, always and 100%, [44:55.320 -> 44:57.520] it's the FIA that's got the final say. [44:57.520 -> 44:58.520] Cool. [44:58.520 -> 45:03.360] Wasn't sure you were going to land that play. 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That's code get100 at prizepicks.com slash get100 for a first deposit matchup to $100. [46:29.320 -> 46:33.000] PrizePicks, daily fantasy sports made easy. [46:33.000 -> 46:43.120] All right, definitely some sorting out there to check. [46:43.120 -> 46:44.800] We've got some homework to check. [46:44.800 -> 46:45.800] Who has the final say? [46:45.800 -> 46:51.800] What can FOM do? Let's go to some of the listener questions. Let's rummage around in the mailbag and [46:52.440 -> 46:54.440] let's go to [46:54.480 -> 47:02.080] Andy. No, I was looking for one. There we go. Jason who says an interesting but unserious question. That's that's fine Jason [47:02.080 -> 47:06.200] That is definitely within our MO. Given all the inclement weather [47:06.200 -> 47:11.040] that has been at the various race weekends, would an indoor Grand Prix track be something [47:11.040 -> 47:14.920] that could be popular? And what country would you choose to have it in? This assumes you [47:14.920 -> 47:20.200] can build a big enough structure and solve for ventilation, dirty air, noise, spectators, [47:20.200 -> 47:26.480] etc. Christina, I've never... So you're relatively new to F1. I'm not gatekeeping. I'm not gatekeeping. [47:26.480 -> 47:33.600] I'm just saying that in the olden days, yeah, and your cat agrees, in the olden days, rain [47:33.600 -> 47:37.320] used to be something we celebrated. We'd be like, oh, here we go. It's tasty. There's [47:37.320 -> 47:41.280] a bit of rain. Whereas now when there's rain, we're like, oh no, it's never going to get [47:41.280 -> 47:47.120] started. So ask the cat cat should we have some indoor tracks [47:48.720 -> 47:54.080] oh i mean if we can build it i think we should it would be a fun just different thing i mean it [47:54.080 -> 47:59.920] gives you more control as well of what you can and can't do yeah controlled environments are nice [47:59.920 -> 48:04.640] it's safer for fans because you can have shade all over the place that's the biggest complaint [48:04.640 -> 48:05.680] when you go to a race weekend. [48:05.880 -> 48:07.880] No one ever has enough shade. [48:08.080 -> 48:09.680] You're always at risk for heat stroke. [48:09.880 -> 48:10.720] Don't worry about the cat. [48:10.760 -> 48:12.120] I'm enjoying the commentary. [48:12.120 -> 48:12.400] It's fine. [48:14.760 -> 48:17.800] But that's a big thing as well is fan comfort. [48:18.000 -> 48:19.640] And we've seen other series do it as well. [48:19.640 -> 48:23.480] Formula E, yes, they're electric cars, so you have different concerns, but London, [48:23.480 -> 48:25.760] their E-Prix is 50-50. [48:25.760 -> 48:28.960] It's half inside of a building and half outside. [48:28.960 -> 48:32.780] And we had the problem this year with the finale of them having to dry the outside part [48:32.780 -> 48:36.080] of the track because it was still a problem. [48:36.080 -> 48:38.520] But you've also seen Race of Champions. [48:38.520 -> 48:44.200] They did their race pre-COVID, two years, I believe, inside a stadium. [48:44.200 -> 48:46.320] And yes, it wasn't Formula 1 cars, [48:46.320 -> 48:52.360] it was different vehicles, but it was still motorized combustion engines. And at the end [48:52.360 -> 48:57.940] of the day, this is Formula 1. These are engineering nerds who love nothing more than a challenge. [48:57.940 -> 49:03.120] So give them the, you know, hey, how would you build a building that could handle this? [49:03.120 -> 49:05.300] Can you imagine the joy on their little faces? [49:05.300 -> 49:09.700] I know yeah, oh, they'll be sharpening their pencils as we speak [49:09.700 -> 49:10.440] So obviously, yeah [49:10.440 -> 49:15.080] If you've got a stadium like an oval or like a little oval with an infield you can do that in a stadium [49:15.240 -> 49:17.680] but you only have to look at Mexico to see how [49:17.960 -> 49:24.220] Such a small part of the track is at the stadium and you've got like four or five miles to contend with so the scale [49:24.220 -> 49:25.400] Is clearly different but actually a spectator comfort is is massive the stadium and you've got like four or five miles to contend with. So the scale is clearly different. [49:25.400 -> 49:28.400] But actually, yes, spectator comfort is massive. [49:28.400 -> 49:31.400] The two times I've been to a Silverstone Grand Prix, [49:31.400 -> 49:34.400] I have baked, I've been baking, baking hot. [49:34.400 -> 49:38.400] And they seem to pick like the one day of the British summer [49:38.400 -> 49:41.000] that it is boiling to schedule the British Grand Prix. [49:41.000 -> 49:51.040] And then the other day I was at Fox Hall watching some short track track oval and again just baking hot because all the grandstands were open. So yeah, the [49:51.040 -> 49:56.120] spectator comfort is is like a small part of it, but it would be amazing to not to, [49:56.120 -> 50:01.040] you know, to watch motorsport and not just be completely, you know, at the mercy of the [50:01.040 -> 50:06.160] elements. Scott. But the cat has completely leaped onto the desk. This [50:06.160 -> 50:13.080] is chaos. Oh my goodness. I mean, so look, Stuffy can relate to this because his cat [50:13.080 -> 50:19.160] has turned off his Sim's steering wheel during live streams before. And what was hilarious [50:19.160 -> 50:23.040] about that, Scott, was that you were in VR. So you had no idea what was happening and [50:23.040 -> 50:24.040] why. [50:24.040 -> 50:30.200] I completely freaked out. And it was only once watching the video back what I knew that he [50:30.200 -> 50:34.920] had lent on the mouse. So yeah, don't worry, I totally feel with you there, Christina. [50:34.920 -> 50:39.200] Is your cat called Squeaks, by the way? Did you just say your cat's called Squeaks? [50:39.200 -> 50:44.080] Yes, that is Squeaks McGee. He came with the name, I can't take credit. [50:44.080 -> 50:46.520] Right, okay. is Squeaks McGee. He came with the name, I can't take credit. But he's vocal, he's a [50:46.520 -> 50:51.760] chatty boy, whether he's happy or sad, he cries sometimes just to be manipulative. [50:51.760 -> 50:53.160] We get it, we're cat people here. [50:53.160 -> 50:54.820] He's fine, he's just dramatic. [50:54.820 -> 50:59.520] Every member of the Miss Apex panel now has a cat. I think every member of the panel except [50:59.520 -> 51:07.320] Christian Pedersen. But to be fair, he eats raw deer in the forest. Stuffy, I believe we're talking about indoor [51:07.320 -> 51:08.000] stadiums. [51:09.280 -> 51:13.960] And yes, so my, you was talking about, well, Christiana made a [51:13.960 -> 51:18.840] good point about removing the weather and that variable. But [51:18.880 -> 51:24.920] my experience is indoor carting. And every indoor go-kart track [51:24.920 -> 51:29.080] I've ever been to has a bridge, has a gimmicky [51:29.080 -> 51:36.240] Mickey Mouse bridge that surely if this was to be a thing, and I'm imagining it being [51:36.240 -> 51:39.280] freshly built somewhere in the Middle East because they're the only ones who would be [51:39.280 -> 51:49.000] able to build an indoor F1 track to this scale, is they'd have to chuck in like a jump or something. [51:49.000 -> 51:53.000] It's just, I don't know, I don't ever see it kind of happening. [51:53.000 -> 51:54.000] Multi-level, multi-level. [51:54.000 -> 51:58.920] I think emissions is something you'd have to struggle, you'd probably struggle with [51:58.920 -> 52:03.840] with these cars. Yes, they are a lot more economical than they've ever been, but it's [52:03.840 -> 52:05.840] not something I think [52:05.840 -> 52:06.840] I can see happening. [52:06.840 -> 52:10.320] And go-karting, indoor go-karting is never as good as outdoor go-karting. [52:10.320 -> 52:11.320] And that's not the Paris. [52:11.320 -> 52:17.160] No, but that's often to do with the lack of space and to do with the track surface, Matt. [52:17.160 -> 52:19.280] Yeah, it's the surface, isn't it? [52:19.280 -> 52:22.040] You're getting into what I want to talk about, track surface. [52:22.040 -> 52:25.920] From a theoretical point of view, yeah, of course it's possible. [52:33.200 -> 52:38.320] It's a large area of ground to cover, so to speak. But yeah, it's entirely possible to build a track and then cover it. And certainly here in the States, I don't know about over there, [52:38.320 -> 52:43.600] certainly here in the States, we have multiple sports arenas with covers that retract so that [52:43.600 -> 52:45.600] you can have it open if the weather's [52:45.600 -> 52:52.040] good and close it if the weather's bad, which spectators would obviously also appreciate. [52:52.040 -> 52:54.440] Is it a good idea for the sport? [52:54.440 -> 52:56.680] Well, yeah, I don't know. [52:56.680 -> 52:57.680] It's a novelty. [52:57.680 -> 53:07.200] It'd be kind of fun, but there's something about having to take the randomness of the weather into account that I would miss [53:07.200 -> 53:11.120] if that became a real model going forward. [53:11.120 -> 53:16.880] So, okay, I mean, you could just have, you know, it doesn't have to all be in a big warehouse. [53:16.880 -> 53:24.320] I don't think anyone's saying, let's have the British Grand Prix in Unit 13 of the Springfield [53:24.320 -> 53:26.720] Warehouse Complex in Braintree. No one's really [53:26.720 -> 53:32.320] suggesting that. But you can do things to manipulate the conditions. And I get a little [53:32.320 -> 53:38.160] bit funny about people being precious about Bernie's sprinkler idea, which is that you [53:38.160 -> 53:42.880] could have every track fitted with sprinklers. So Paul Ricard has sprinklers. You can do that, [53:42.880 -> 53:45.000] and people say, well, it's artificial and gimmicky. [53:45.000 -> 53:48.000] Well, do you know what else is artificial and gimmicky? [53:48.000 -> 53:51.000] Massive wings bolted onto... [53:51.000 -> 53:52.000] All sports. [53:52.000 -> 53:55.000] Yeah, it's like all sports are completely made up. [53:55.000 -> 53:57.000] Like every sport is made up. [53:57.000 -> 53:59.000] Even Patank is made up. [53:59.000 -> 54:02.000] That Patank could be with... [54:02.000 -> 54:03.000] Are you sure that's how it's pronounced? [54:03.000 -> 54:06.000] Patan-kay? Patan-kay? [54:06.000 -> 54:08.000] I don't know, I just thought I would put that bug in your head and mess with you. [54:08.000 -> 54:12.000] I just recently played Patank against the kids at Walton on Nays and I beat them all. [54:12.000 -> 54:15.000] I beat the kids and I'm the champion of my family in Patank. [54:15.000 -> 54:22.000] But that could be tennis balls on concrete. It doesn't have to be, you know, big metal balls on sand. [54:22.000 -> 54:26.920] Our family version of Patank is called rusty petanque because I left them [54:26.920 -> 54:31.840] in the shed for too long. And they're rusty now. [54:31.840 -> 54:36.260] The first time I ever heard sprinklers mentioned was actually Murray Walker, ahead of when [54:36.260 -> 54:41.680] I first have seen Bernie quoted about it in the 99 European Grand Prix. And that is a [54:41.680 -> 54:49.360] point that I wanted to make to prove that I do watch occasionally things almost as old as me. Fair enough. But look, the point is we can do anything we want [54:49.360 -> 54:54.000] with motorsport. If you put me in charge of motorsport, yeah, you can, you know, it's just [54:54.000 -> 54:59.520] money, isn't it? You could just go, right, we could have under track heating, which dries the [54:59.520 -> 55:05.840] track really quickly. You could have a kind of track surface where water drains away. You could have [55:05.840 -> 55:10.640] track surface where there's a big difference between the drainage properties and the top [55:10.640 -> 55:16.640] level of the tarmac like you have on motorways. So you know motorways are designed to drain away [55:16.640 -> 55:23.520] the water to the side but also they're designed that you can have an amount of water in them and [55:23.520 -> 55:26.800] yet the top layer of the tarmac still has contact with [55:26.800 -> 55:31.280] tires. So you could do that, you could manipulate the track surfaces to make sure that wet weather [55:31.280 -> 55:38.400] conditions are never a factor in Formula One or you could manipulate it to have wet weather [55:38.400 -> 55:51.040] conditions be like really a big factor or to manipulate it so that you have sprinklers. Here's the thing, Christina, is we're not actually constrained. We're not constrained, sprinkles McGee, [55:51.040 -> 55:55.520] are we at all, by the elements. We can do whatever we want. [55:56.160 -> 56:00.560] It's true. And I'm having this vision in my head right now of, do you guys remember the Hunger [56:00.560 -> 56:08.320] Games movies and how their arenas were just like absolutely ridiculous each and every year. They had all the different conditions and they could be like, guess what? [56:08.320 -> 56:14.080] Rainstorm. Guess what? Drought. Guess what? You're going to be attacked by this crazy creature that [56:14.080 -> 56:18.720] is actually made up of the souls of your previous competitors or whatever that twist at the end of [56:18.720 -> 56:23.440] the adventure was. Spoiler alert if you haven't read those books, but like at this point, whatever. [56:23.440 -> 56:25.200] Oh, Christina, I don't read. [56:25.200 -> 56:31.360] But you have brought me on to a very important question. Which driver would win the Hunger Games? [56:31.360 -> 56:38.400] So if you if we're teaming up in districts now so I think district Haas would have the best chance. [56:38.400 -> 56:45.900] Absolutely the most boss lineup in the F1 Hunger Games has to be Kevin Magnussen and Nico Hulkenberg. the best. The best boss line up [56:44.000 -> 56:47.900] in the F one Hunger Games has [56:46.000 -> 56:49.900] to be Kevin Magnuson and Nico [56:48.000 -> 56:51.900] Hulkenberg, which driver [56:50.000 -> 56:52.500] pairing is legitimately taking [56:52.000 -> 56:57.900] those two on in a battle of [56:52.600 -> 56:59.900] survival to the death. I was [56:58.000 -> 57:01.900] gonna say I generally think [57:00.000 -> 57:03.900] Lewis Hamilton could probably [57:02.000 -> 57:04.500] take things most most pairs on [57:04.000 -> 57:05.100] their own. He's an extreme [57:04.600 -> 57:05.120] sports guy. He does loads of stuff in his spare time. [57:05.120 -> 57:10.080] But he's a proper extreme guy. I'm not sure about George. I think George would be too [57:10.080 -> 57:15.760] much too cared about. I think he'd be too cared about how his hair looks to be perfectly honest. [57:15.760 -> 57:22.480] And Lewis would probably just leave him to die at some point. I think, yeah, because he does [57:22.480 -> 57:26.600] extreme sports. Valtteri Bottas has got the endurance. [57:26.600 -> 57:27.720] He does triathlons. [57:27.720 -> 57:30.400] Bottas and Joe, yeah, good point. [57:30.400 -> 57:33.640] Yeah, the Finns don't mess with the Finns. [57:33.640 -> 57:35.560] They come from harsh conditions. [57:35.560 -> 57:38.160] Matt, I'd also be worried about Logan and Albon [57:38.160 -> 57:40.800] because they're both quite, they're rangy, aren't they? [57:40.800 -> 57:43.840] If it gets into MMA, close quarters scrap. [57:43.840 -> 57:48.080] I would honestly watch out for Max. I'm pretty sure he does a fair amount of [57:49.520 -> 57:54.960] combat sports training as part of his regular training. And here I will refrain from making [57:54.960 -> 57:58.880] any jokes about Sergio Perez because I am old and no better. [57:58.880 -> 58:01.760] Oh, yes. Good point. You don't want to get you don't want to get cancelled, Matt. Yeah, [58:01.760 -> 58:09.320] that's fair. So email us with with your feedback. Who do you think would win in a Hunger Games style contest [58:09.320 -> 58:11.960] with the teams if they were split up into team districts? [58:11.960 -> 58:17.480] Okay, here's an interesting-ish question about... yeah, ish. [58:17.480 -> 58:21.400] Dave in Leeds. Leeds, Leeds, Leeds. I assume you're a Leeds United fan. [58:21.400 -> 58:28.880] After seeing more teams in special liveries in Italy, it got me thinking about the cost of production. Are these paint jobs, race suits, team equipment, clothing, and [58:28.880 -> 58:34.160] newly manufactured parts considered under the cost caps? The cars do look a little different for one [58:34.160 -> 58:38.960] race, but I don't really see the point to it further than advertising. Thanks for all the [58:38.960 -> 58:46.160] content." Well, you're welcome, Dave. But that is an interesting one, Christina. When we talk about saving tyre blankets, [58:46.160 -> 58:53.200] saving the carbon footprint, less tyres, it can't be that efficient to be constantly making [58:53.200 -> 58:58.720] new liveries, new paint jobs. So all that effort, is it worth it? Does it add anything to the sport? [58:59.520 -> 59:03.600] I think it does. I mean, you look at social media and how excited people get about the special [59:03.600 -> 59:09.520] liveries or how many memes come out of it. Like two for two, at least in recent years, Ferrari have given us [59:09.520 -> 59:16.080] the Minion memes and the McDonald's ones. So even if it's just from humor and a fun standpoint, yes, [59:16.080 -> 59:21.440] it gives a lot. But if you also look over at somewhere like IndyCar, they switch their liveries [59:21.440 -> 59:25.520] on a weekly basis because it's what their sponsorship requires. [59:25.520 -> 59:30.000] And obviously you don't necessarily need that in Formula One because they have much more, [59:30.000 -> 59:34.880] they have season-long sponsors, but sometimes they also have to change it because of someone like [59:34.880 -> 59:39.280] Velo, which McLaren has, and they have to change it due to regulations. So at the end of the day, [59:39.280 -> 59:47.120] them switching up their liveries, it's just a part of the sport. And it is a sense of excitement. People like [59:47.120 -> 59:52.560] seeing different liveries. And even if it's just fan service of celebrating how many years or their [59:52.560 -> 59:57.280] home race, that is a good thing. You want to connect with your fans. You want them... Look at [59:58.320 -> 01:00:03.840] Williams doing the vote for what special livery do you want to see at Singapore. I think it is [01:00:03.840 -> 01:00:05.200] worth it, even if it is an extra [01:00:05.200 -> 01:00:09.920] cost. And some teams will also have partnerships with the brands that are doing all of these [01:00:09.920 -> 01:00:14.440] different services, their race suits, things like that. So it might not necessarily be [01:00:14.440 -> 01:00:16.440] a cost question for a lot of the teams. [01:00:16.440 -> 01:00:21.560] So there was one big shame where Mercedes, I think for the Austrian Grand Prix, they [01:00:21.560 -> 01:00:27.360] all got dressed up in lederhosen and did a right traditional Bavarian dress. [01:00:27.360 -> 01:00:29.120] And then they didn't do well that weekend. [01:00:29.120 -> 01:00:32.640] So I think Toto Wolff threw his prams out, the toys out the pram saying, oh, we didn't [01:00:32.640 -> 01:00:34.160] do very well that weekend. [01:00:34.160 -> 01:00:36.640] And it was all down to the silliness of the costumes. [01:00:36.640 -> 01:00:39.640] We're never going to do anything interesting or exciting. [01:00:39.640 -> 01:00:43.040] I think Silverstone, didn't they do some kind of like, you know, like- [01:00:43.040 -> 01:00:44.600] They dressed in like 40s garb. [01:00:44.600 -> 01:00:45.760] In like 40s stuff. Or 30s or whatever do some kind of like, you know, like... They dressed in like 40s garb. In like 40s stuff, yeah. [01:00:45.760 -> 01:00:48.240] Or 30s or whatever, some kind of anniversary. [01:00:49.760 -> 01:00:50.240] Yeah, so like... [01:00:50.240 -> 01:00:51.200] You will be... [01:00:51.200 -> 01:00:53.360] Matt, the delay is killing us, you go. [01:00:53.360 -> 01:00:54.080] It's killing us, I know, sorry. [01:00:54.080 -> 01:00:55.920] No, after you, after you, no, you hang up. [01:00:56.480 -> 01:01:00.400] I was going to just briefly add, since the question came up, [01:01:00.400 -> 01:01:06.160] all marketing activities are actually excluded costs under the financial regulations. [01:01:06.160 -> 01:01:06.720] There you go. [01:01:07.600 -> 01:01:11.760] So any of that stuff wouldn't be counting against the cost gap. [01:01:11.760 -> 01:01:14.640] Well, well, there you go. So that's the boring answer to that stuffy, [01:01:14.640 -> 01:01:18.480] but is there, how much room is there for fun in a serious competition? [01:01:19.680 -> 01:01:29.260] So much room. I was going to make the example of drivers helmets. Do you remember a few [01:01:29.260 -> 01:01:36.640] years ago, the FIA brought in the rule, you are not allowed to change your helmet design. [01:01:36.640 -> 01:01:40.280] You're supposed to have one helmet design throughout the season. It was supposed to [01:01:40.280 -> 01:01:46.680] be for the fans because we can then differentiate who is what driver by knowing [01:01:46.680 -> 01:01:52.320] what their regular helmet is. But the drivers kicked up a massive fuss over it. It was the [01:01:52.320 -> 01:01:58.540] one thing they probably all came in unison under and went, no, we love being able to [01:01:58.540 -> 01:01:59.540] change our driver helmets. [01:01:59.540 -> 01:02:00.540] I hate it. [01:02:00.540 -> 01:02:05.020] Week in, week out, or like when it's my home Grand Prix, have a special helmet. [01:02:05.020 -> 01:02:06.460] I really enjoy that. [01:02:06.460 -> 01:02:08.620] I really enjoy seeing them post the different ones, [01:02:08.620 -> 01:02:10.660] like Lando posts in the one year, [01:02:10.660 -> 01:02:12.060] it was the basketball at Miami, [01:02:12.060 -> 01:02:13.980] and then it was the beach volleyball. [01:02:13.980 -> 01:02:15.020] They have some real fun ones. [01:02:15.020 -> 01:02:16.060] And they have had some fun ones. [01:02:16.060 -> 01:02:17.860] And Lando Norris, didn't he have one designed [01:02:17.860 -> 01:02:21.140] by a five-year-old as well, which was very cute. [01:02:21.140 -> 01:02:22.900] And like, okay, I get that. [01:02:22.900 -> 01:02:24.840] I'm not saying that isn't an appeal to it, [01:02:24.840 -> 01:02:32.800] but I also dislike it because a driver's helmet is their identity. So like, Damon Hill with [01:02:32.800 -> 01:02:37.980] the black helmet with the dashes in a circle on the top of his head, instantly, instantly [01:02:37.980 -> 01:02:44.400] recognisable. Senna and Hamilton in the yellow lids and you go, that's, you know, that's [01:02:44.400 -> 01:02:46.200] definitely Senna, that's Hamilton. [01:02:46.200 -> 01:02:48.040] And then even when he went to that purple helmet, [01:02:48.040 -> 01:02:50.720] I think if they pick their helmet for the season [01:02:50.720 -> 01:02:52.880] and go with it, I love that, [01:02:52.880 -> 01:02:55.080] but I grew up in an era where drivers [01:02:55.080 -> 01:02:58.520] were very much identifiable by their colours. [01:02:58.520 -> 01:03:01.720] And it's very similar along the lines of [01:03:01.720 -> 01:03:04.720] the barbarians in rugby union. [01:03:04.720 -> 01:03:06.000] Is it rugby union with the barbarians [01:03:06.000 -> 01:03:12.720] where it's an invitational team, but they wear the socks of their home team and there's an identity [01:03:12.720 -> 01:03:19.040] to Kit. So whilst it's really good that they have a basketball helmet, who was that? Was that Daniel [01:03:19.040 -> 01:03:25.360] Ricardo? Was it Lando as well? So yeah, super, super cool. Who had the beach ball? Was that Lando [01:03:25.360 -> 01:03:31.460] Norris as well? Blimey, he's on fire with his helmet. They're grey! But something in [01:03:31.460 -> 01:03:36.100] me says like, I wish people just had their colours. It's like their flag. [01:03:36.100 -> 01:03:37.100] Just a bore. [01:03:37.100 -> 01:03:42.860] Oh, I'm so sorry. I like that. There should also be a rule that drivers in a team have [01:03:42.860 -> 01:03:50.800] to have distinctly different helmet covers and different coloured gloves, if at all possible. Yeah, Mercedes did that for free with Nico and [01:03:51.440 -> 01:03:56.560] Lewis, didn't they? You could distinctively tell instantly who was Lewis and Nico because of the [01:03:56.560 -> 01:04:01.440] white and the turquoise gloves or black or whatever. So yeah, no, I agree with that. But [01:04:01.440 -> 01:04:07.400] the helmets, I think it's pretty cool. It's fun to see them alter every now and then and see what they're going to have special [01:04:07.400 -> 01:04:08.400] ones. [01:04:08.400 -> 01:04:10.320] We've got a question from Kelly Stephan. [01:04:10.320 -> 01:04:13.800] Been listening to your podcast since the beginning of this season and have been getting into [01:04:13.800 -> 01:04:16.040] F1 for the last few years. [01:04:16.040 -> 01:04:17.880] So many things are still new to me. [01:04:17.880 -> 01:04:19.960] Well, there's no gatekeeping here. [01:04:19.960 -> 01:04:20.960] Don't worry. [01:04:20.960 -> 01:04:30.320] When Matt launches off into one about tech regulations, I do try to bring it back down to, hey, is that the flappy bit or the kind of sideways squiggly bit along the edge? [01:04:30.320 -> 01:04:35.520] And I think I do a reasonable job at least priming us to understand the things that Matt [01:04:35.520 -> 01:04:41.000] and Summers say. So Kelly says, I've been looking for a while, but without success for [01:04:41.000 -> 01:04:49.520] materials or media where I could learn about the different circuits and the type of driving they require, like the speed of the corners, opportunity for overtakes etc. Also [01:04:49.520 -> 01:04:54.880] wondering about the counter to this, like the constructors cars, are they better or worse at [01:04:54.880 -> 01:04:59.920] different tracks, so are they track dependent, is there any suggestions for places to find [01:05:00.480 -> 01:05:07.080] this information? Well, you're lucky we've got the two perfect people on the panel for [01:05:07.080 -> 01:05:13.320] completely different reasons to get good information here. So, Christina, you've done a lot of [01:05:13.320 -> 01:05:20.240] stuff on your TikTok channel, basically being an intermediary to, is it fair to say, the [01:05:20.240 -> 01:05:26.880] DTS generation of F1 fans, and you break things down on a much more entry and accessible level. [01:05:26.880 -> 01:05:32.240] I'm not saying like, Christina, super dumb, dumb F1. I'm saying it's accessible and deliberately so. [01:05:33.120 -> 01:05:38.960] Yes, the whole goal is to not use engineering and science specific language, because I think that [01:05:38.960 -> 01:05:43.680] that's the biggest barrier is that the moment you learn those special words that you use in [01:05:43.680 -> 01:05:45.160] motorsports or just in any [01:05:45.160 -> 01:05:50.240] specialized industry, it makes it inaccessible for people who are just learning about it. [01:05:50.240 -> 01:05:54.200] So you have that period where you're just figuring out a new vocabulary. [01:05:54.200 -> 01:05:59.960] So in my case, I do a series called The Bullet and it's intro videos of like three minutes-ish [01:05:59.960 -> 01:06:03.760] for each track that we race at every single weekend. It comes out the Wednesday before race [01:06:03.760 -> 01:06:05.960] weekends. Sham shameless plug. [01:06:05.960 -> 01:06:06.800] No, no, that's fine. [01:06:06.800 -> 01:06:08.960] I was setting you up for that. [01:06:08.960 -> 01:06:09.800] Perfect. [01:06:11.240 -> 01:06:14.280] But a lot of what I learned as far as that goes [01:06:14.280 -> 01:06:16.040] is A, from watching old races [01:06:16.040 -> 01:06:17.640] and especially those first couple of minutes [01:06:17.640 -> 01:06:20.600] where they're talking about the track before it gets started [01:06:20.600 -> 01:06:22.400] but also all of the teams, [01:06:22.400 -> 01:06:26.120] they put out pre-race summaries for the most part. [01:06:26.120 -> 01:06:27.640] And most of them are really easy to find. [01:06:27.640 -> 01:06:31.960] They have them linked on the homepage of their team website, or they post about it in their [01:06:31.960 -> 01:06:33.280] Instagram stories. [01:06:33.280 -> 01:06:38.600] So once you figure out which team you like their information or their feedback the best, [01:06:38.600 -> 01:06:42.640] you can really just go to their websites and get a pretty good idea about what the track [01:06:42.640 -> 01:06:44.360] is going to be doing. [01:06:44.360 -> 01:06:45.040] And yes, we know [01:06:45.040 -> 01:06:46.040] you like that. [01:06:46.040 -> 01:06:51.480] Feed that cat, my goodness. Yeah, yeah. About what the track is going to be doing. [01:06:51.480 -> 01:06:58.160] Yeah. But at the end of the day, yes, you can look to other creators and or myself, [01:06:58.160 -> 01:07:01.760] and you can also just look to the teams because they'll also say in these summaries, this [01:07:01.760 -> 01:07:10.080] is what I'm worried about when it comes to our car. These are our concerns, these are our strengths, this is what we're expecting for our weekend itself. And [01:07:10.080 -> 01:07:13.920] thankfully, right now, there are only 10 teams. And so that's not actually a lot of reading. [01:07:13.920 -> 01:07:19.840] Well, there you go. So the first thing you do is go and follow at Christina F1 on TikTok. Is [01:07:19.840 -> 01:07:23.760] there ats on TikTok? No, is it? Yes, at Christina dot fast cars. [01:07:24.480 -> 01:07:26.880] And no H in Christina as well. [01:07:26.880 -> 01:07:30.920] But don't worry, we're going to have a link to your TikTok in the show notes below. [01:07:30.920 -> 01:07:32.360] So go and follow Christina there. [01:07:32.360 -> 01:07:36.760] And that is a really good entry level way to find that information out on a race weekend. [01:07:36.760 -> 01:07:42.200] The other person who is very, very useful to you is Scott Stuffy Tuffy, [01:07:42.200 -> 01:07:46.960] because as we say here on Missed Apex Podcast, the number one way to learn [01:07:46.960 -> 01:07:54.480] these tracks is to get out there and either, you know, in general in racing, go karting, go to an [01:07:54.480 -> 01:07:58.800] indoor kart, turn a wheel, understand what it's like to send it up the inside of someone and then [01:07:58.800 -> 01:08:06.880] have them yell at you for doing that. But what you do, streaming a lot of single seater stuff, F3, more recently [01:08:06.880 -> 01:08:14.160] Super Formula, our series with the Renault 3.5, and actually going out and driving around [01:08:14.960 -> 01:08:23.040] those tracks on a sim, on a console game. It's hard to get across to people who don't do that, [01:08:23.040 -> 01:08:25.360] how much it enhances your Grand Prix weekend to [01:08:25.360 -> 01:08:32.640] have driven Suzuka? Yes, yeah, we're very fortunate. The sim that I race predominantly on is [01:08:32.640 -> 01:08:38.480] called iRacing and Mercedes actually have a partnership with iRacing that they gave the real [01:08:38.480 -> 01:08:48.120] world data from their last two F1 cars, W13 and W12 to iRacing. So we've been very fortunate to drive as close as possible. [01:08:48.340 -> 01:08:52.800] The, the F1, the Mercedes F1 car for the past two years, uh, without [01:08:52.800 -> 01:08:54.320] actually driving the real thing. [01:08:54.320 -> 01:08:58.040] So it's given a real perspective personally, in regards to how these [01:08:58.040 -> 01:09:02.280] different cars from a ground effect era and the previous era in, in how [01:09:02.280 -> 01:09:03.800] they perform at certain circuits. [01:09:03.840 -> 01:09:07.560] Of course, there's all setups and all the technicalities that go behind these [01:09:07.560 -> 01:09:11.640] cars, but you get the basics of what they've got to struggle with. [01:09:11.720 -> 01:09:14.460] Um, and, and what they've got to keep an eye out on. [01:09:14.820 -> 01:09:19.380] Um, now in relation to Kelly's question, Kelly's question originally, [01:09:19.440 -> 01:09:21.040] where would she find that out from? [01:09:21.040 -> 01:09:24.480] I think a couple of great teams to follow on YouTube at the moment [01:09:23.120 -> 01:09:27.880] where she find that out from, I think a couple of great teams to follow on YouTube at the moment are Mercedes and Williams, [01:09:27.900 -> 01:09:31.040] mainly because James Vowles has just come over from Mercedes [01:09:31.040 -> 01:09:34.960] and they do very good debriefs after the race. [01:09:34.960 -> 01:09:36.520] They do, yeah, Vowles does, yeah. [01:09:36.520 -> 01:09:40.080] What, what they, and Vowles has obviously brought this over [01:09:40.080 -> 01:09:42.640] from Mercedes, but they do very good debriefs and they're very [01:09:42.680 -> 01:09:45.280] open and honest, which I'm quite surprised about to be honest, because everyone is so in-house and so secretive but they're very good debriefs. And they're very open and honest, which I'm quite surprised about, to be honest, [01:09:45.280 -> 01:09:48.760] because everyone is so in house and so secretive, they're very [01:09:48.760 -> 01:09:52.000] open and honest in regards to their struggles and, and what [01:09:52.000 -> 01:09:55.480] works well for them and what didn't and that they they do [01:09:55.480 -> 01:09:58.960] seem to read what happens on social media and answer those [01:09:58.960 -> 01:10:02.000] questions as well that the budding questions that people [01:10:02.000 -> 01:10:06.680] have about when they should have pitted Lewis or why did they not pick Georgia Lewis [01:10:06.680 -> 01:10:09.640] at a certain moment and Alex and, and so forth. So there are [01:10:09.640 -> 01:10:12.840] two of the teams, I'm not sure any other team kind of does [01:10:12.840 -> 01:10:16.420] that. McLaren send out emails, I'm subscribed to them, and they [01:10:16.420 -> 01:10:19.600] send out the briefed email. So most of the teams now, if you [01:10:19.600 -> 01:10:23.280] sign up to their you log in and sign up to emails, they'll, [01:10:23.560 -> 01:10:25.340] they'll send you mostly their merch, [01:10:25.340 -> 01:10:28.040] reminder to buy their merch, but after race weekends. [01:10:28.040 -> 01:10:28.880] My stuff. [01:10:28.880 -> 01:10:31.620] Yeah, and before even it's what, as Christina says, [01:10:31.620 -> 01:10:34.140] what are we looking, what are the track struggles? [01:10:34.140 -> 01:10:35.020] What are we looking for? [01:10:35.020 -> 01:10:39.020] How are we, little tidbits in how they may set up the car [01:10:39.020 -> 01:10:40.360] and then also their struggles afterwards. [01:10:40.360 -> 01:10:42.940] But yeah, sim racing is the next best thing [01:10:42.940 -> 01:10:45.360] to actually getting out there in real life [01:10:45.360 -> 01:10:49.040] and experiencing what some of these guys go through. [01:10:49.040 -> 01:10:53.680] Yeah, it doesn't even have to be like a top end sim like iRacing. [01:10:53.680 -> 01:10:59.320] You pick up the F1 game from five years ago on Xbox Game Pass, and you'll still just get [01:10:59.320 -> 01:11:02.800] that same experience of knowing where the corners go. [01:11:02.800 -> 01:11:05.920] So kind of knowing that, because it can all get a bit samey, [01:11:05.920 -> 01:11:07.280] watching the Singapore Grand Prix, [01:11:07.280 -> 01:11:09.000] they go through that start section, [01:11:09.000 -> 01:11:13.080] and then it feels like very samey kind of walls. [01:11:13.080 -> 01:11:16.720] But if you get a sense for where the track is going, [01:11:16.720 -> 01:11:18.200] and I'm sure Matt will tell us in a minute, [01:11:18.200 -> 01:11:21.840] the track is going in a very different direction this year, [01:11:21.840 -> 01:11:25.000] it makes it so much easier to follow the race. [01:11:25.000 -> 01:11:28.600] And because otherwise, you just see two cars side by side [01:11:28.600 -> 01:11:29.800] and you go, oh, there's going to be, [01:11:29.800 -> 01:11:31.640] the commentator says there might be an overtake here. [01:11:31.640 -> 01:11:33.200] You've got no idea what's happening [01:11:33.200 -> 01:11:35.440] unless you're primed to know those corners. [01:11:35.440 -> 01:11:37.400] So I would say at the very least, [01:11:37.400 -> 01:11:42.400] watch Friday practice to practice knowing the track layout. [01:11:42.800 -> 01:11:44.800] And if you can't go on iRacing, [01:11:44.800 -> 01:11:46.240] if you can't play the games, [01:11:46.800 -> 01:11:51.920] at least then just find some onboards and just sit on an onboard of the circuit and familiarize [01:11:51.920 -> 01:11:58.160] yourself with the turns and it just makes the story much, much easier to follow. Matt. [01:11:58.880 -> 01:12:05.360] Oh, sorry, Christina. They also have a free downloadable version of F123, I think it is, for mobile. [01:12:05.360 -> 01:12:08.600] So you get to tilt your phone and drive. [01:12:08.600 -> 01:12:09.600] Really? [01:12:09.600 -> 01:12:10.600] No way. [01:12:10.600 -> 01:12:14.280] Okay, well, I might do that now while Matt gives his answer because it's going to be [01:12:14.280 -> 01:12:15.280] long. [01:12:15.280 -> 01:12:16.280] So I'm going to do that now. [01:12:16.280 -> 01:12:18.080] Everyone do that now while Matt is saying his thing. [01:12:18.080 -> 01:12:25.920] Well, I was actually going to latch onto the request for corner speed and tell you that Mercedes has done a [01:12:25.920 -> 01:12:31.640] full set of maps with sort of what they call minimum corner speed and you can [01:12:31.640 -> 01:12:36.080] find them most of the ones I found just through googling track corner speed and [01:12:36.080 -> 01:12:41.120] then usually they're on reddit somewhere just as an image so you just want to [01:12:41.120 -> 01:12:46.400] know how fast the corners are that is a great resource to go to. [01:12:46.400 -> 01:12:52.540] Another little utilized resource is to go to the actual FIA.com site, go to the event [01:12:52.540 -> 01:12:56.880] timing information, look for media and the race guide. [01:12:56.880 -> 01:13:01.960] And there'll be lots of history and explanations of the track and talk about the corners and [01:13:01.960 -> 01:13:04.800] where famous things in the past happened. [01:13:04.800 -> 01:13:08.980] That can kind of clue you in to where the action is going to be. [01:13:08.980 -> 01:13:16.860] And last, and quickly, is that indeed, although this is old news, Singapore has done a control [01:13:16.860 -> 01:13:22.740] alt delete of turns 16 through 18, and it's going to have a significant impact on the [01:13:22.740 -> 01:13:26.320] lap time, and happily enough for those of us [01:13:26.320 -> 01:13:31.920] watching the race time as well. And so you'll probably hear a lot about that in the coming [01:13:31.920 -> 01:13:37.520] week from places like motorsport.com and the race, either one of which is not a bad place [01:13:37.520 -> 01:13:43.280] aside from formula1.com itself to get basic information about the race you're about to watch. [01:13:44.400 -> 01:13:48.760] I'm quite surprised Matt, you didn't mention your favorite Twitter page, [01:13:48.820 -> 01:13:54.420] either for really motorsport for really motorsport are also one that they are my [01:13:54.420 -> 01:14:00.260] go-to before a race weekend, because they post out information in regards to their [01:14:00.260 -> 01:14:02.800] predicted strategies for the weekend. [01:14:03.140 -> 01:14:04.060] What is the best? [01:14:04.080 -> 01:14:06.000] What is the alternative? What is the alternative? [01:14:06.000 -> 01:14:07.120] What is the outsider? [01:14:07.520 -> 01:14:14.280] How many tires and, um, the teams have got fresh, um, for the race weekend [01:14:14.640 -> 01:14:16.840] and just a bundle of information. [01:14:16.980 -> 01:14:23.160] Um, but of course is evolved, revolved around tires, but is very [01:14:23.160 -> 01:14:24.920] relevant of course, to the race itself. [01:14:24.920 -> 01:14:30.120] So definitely follow their Twitter page on, on, well, X is now called, isn't it? [01:14:30.120 -> 01:14:31.120] But yeah. [01:14:31.120 -> 01:14:32.120] It's Twitter. [01:14:32.120 -> 01:14:33.120] Yeah. [01:14:33.120 -> 01:14:35.320] We'll see how that schism works out. [01:14:35.320 -> 01:14:41.200] It doesn't affect the garbage I put out, but you should follow all our X or Twitter accounts [01:14:41.200 -> 01:14:53.680] and all our social media accounts will be posted in the show notes below. I'm going to end with one final question from Matt McHenry and Matt says I would combine two things [01:14:54.400 -> 01:14:59.360] Spanners hates for a better format. Oh I would combine two things Spanners hates [01:15:00.000 -> 01:15:06.240] to have a better format. Sprint races with balance of performance. So yes, you're right, [01:15:06.240 -> 01:15:11.360] Matt, I don't like the sprint races because I think it dilutes the weekend and I do find myself [01:15:11.360 -> 01:15:17.040] over the course of a race weekend kind of losing, losing, not losing interest, but I have to pick [01:15:17.040 -> 01:15:23.360] and choose which bits I get emotionally invested in. Balance of performance, I don't object to in [01:15:23.360 -> 01:15:26.400] principle, but I know why F1 would object [01:15:26.400 -> 01:15:31.160] to it. Okay, so Matt says, have a separate driver's cup with sprint races on a Friday [01:15:31.160 -> 01:15:37.960] where we add balance to each car to make them equal based on lap time in prior real races. [01:15:37.960 -> 01:15:42.400] Everybody gets what they want, FOM makes more money, fans at the track have more action, [01:15:42.400 -> 01:15:45.840] which is the idea of the sprint races, and drivers can prove their [01:15:45.840 -> 01:15:51.920] skill independently of the car. The grumpy can then ignore it. Do you mean me, Matt? Do you mean [01:15:51.920 -> 01:15:56.720] me, the grumpy? The grumpy can ignore it completely since it awards no championship points and the [01:15:56.720 -> 01:16:00.800] teams have no real incentive to sandbag with no points. The downside is the FIA needs to figure [01:16:00.800 -> 01:16:05.520] out how to calculate ballast. Yes, it's not a very small downside. [01:16:12.240 -> 01:16:18.240] Here's the problem, Christina. F1 doesn't really want us to know how all the drivers would do in equal machinery. Yeah, and I'm okay with that. Quite frankly, I kind of hate the... I'm tired of [01:16:18.240 -> 01:16:21.760] the argument, quite frankly. It's like, oh, who's the better driver? And oh, it's the car. And it's [01:16:21.760 -> 01:16:29.200] like, yeah, that's the point. Yes. That it's the driver and the car. Imagine that. They both have an impact. And look, [01:16:29.200 -> 01:16:33.760] if you want to watch a series where there's a balance of performance, there's so many choices, [01:16:33.760 -> 01:16:39.280] even just in single seater, that you can go and watch. You can go watch F2 or F3 or IndyCar, [01:16:39.280 -> 01:16:43.360] which IndyCar is, you know, sort of balance of performance but not really. [01:16:43.360 -> 01:16:46.360] That's more of a spec series, isn't it? [01:16:46.360 -> 01:16:47.360] Yeah. [01:16:47.360 -> 01:16:48.360] Yeah. [01:16:48.360 -> 01:16:53.160] People argue about that, but at the end of the day, you have options if that is what [01:16:53.160 -> 01:16:54.160] you want. [01:16:54.160 -> 01:16:58.440] You go to Formula One and what makes Formula One unique and special is that it's a constructors [01:16:58.440 -> 01:16:59.440] championship. [01:16:59.440 -> 01:17:01.140] It's just as much about building the car. [01:17:01.140 -> 01:17:04.720] If you want to have sprint races where it's like, build a completely different car to [01:17:04.720 -> 01:17:08.960] a different spec, then it's a completely different conversation, which is a completely different [01:17:08.960 -> 01:17:10.040] cost thing. [01:17:10.040 -> 01:17:15.760] And can of worms that if money was no object and pollution was no object, I would say, [01:17:15.760 -> 01:17:17.120] yeah, that's fun. [01:17:17.120 -> 01:17:19.520] Make them drive on different vehicles every once in a while. [01:17:19.520 -> 01:17:22.320] But I'm fine with sprint races the way they are. [01:17:22.320 -> 01:17:23.840] I think six is a decent number. [01:17:23.840 -> 01:17:29.200] I worry about them, what, a quarter of the time at this point? I think if it was any more, I would care more. [01:17:29.200 -> 01:17:32.960] But at this point, I'm like, a couple weekends out of the year, I watch an extra race. [01:17:33.680 -> 01:17:38.560] Whatever. This is fine. I have no strong feelings about sprint races right now. [01:17:38.560 -> 01:17:43.040] Now that I've been... Yeah, now that I've been... Oh, mid. Nice. Yeah. Nice, [01:17:43.040 -> 01:17:46.680] nice new young people term. So now that I've been sort of conditioned [01:17:46.680 -> 01:17:49.560] to the sprint races, they're fine. [01:17:49.560 -> 01:17:51.880] Like they're no more than fine. [01:17:51.880 -> 01:17:53.440] They're becoming less abhorrent to me [01:17:53.440 -> 01:17:55.160] and Scott can say why they're still abhorrent [01:17:55.160 -> 01:17:57.000] if he wants in a moment. [01:17:57.000 -> 01:17:59.680] But yeah, so we must be careful with our terminology. [01:17:59.680 -> 01:18:04.140] So yeah, a spec series is where on paper, [01:18:04.140 -> 01:18:06.440] all the cars are the same, they have to use [01:18:06.440 -> 01:18:11.200] the same parts. But for anyone who's done rental karting, you'll know that, you know, [01:18:11.200 -> 01:18:16.320] the karts vary wildly. And that is with the best intentions. Just out of manufacturing, [01:18:16.320 -> 01:18:21.960] one engine will have a little bit more performance, one chassis will have a little bit of imperfection [01:18:21.960 -> 01:18:25.600] over another. So it's really, really... even in a spec series, [01:18:25.600 -> 01:18:29.360] you're going to get... for example, I know of a series where you're limited [01:18:30.000 -> 01:18:34.320] on the chassis you can build. You can purchase, it has to be of a certain age, [01:18:34.880 -> 01:18:41.840] but there's no limit on the maintenance parts. So you can effectively fill the entire chassis [01:18:41.840 -> 01:18:47.760] with these brand new maintenance parts, and it's like Trigger's broom if you've watched for Only Fools and Horses. You go, yeah, you've got to have a [01:18:47.760 -> 01:18:51.760] really old broom, but you can replace the handle and then you can replace the head, [01:18:52.400 -> 01:18:57.120] and it still counts as an old broom. So even in a spec series, it's really hard to police [01:18:57.120 -> 01:19:01.840] things being the same. Balance of performance is where you've got a bit more freedom to develop [01:19:01.840 -> 01:19:05.520] your car, but if you do well in a series or you're [01:19:05.520 -> 01:19:12.160] the champion or you win a race, they can then add lead weights to your car or something to then bring [01:19:12.160 -> 01:19:20.960] down the speed. So the thing is, F1 isn't like that, but Matt, it has been sold to a new generation [01:19:20.960 -> 01:19:25.200] of F1 fans as it being a driver series. So in Drive to Survive, yeah, [01:19:25.200 -> 01:19:29.800] there's some engineering stuff in there and Christian Horner's camping with Gerry and [01:19:29.800 -> 01:19:34.760] all that stuff, but really it is driver, driver, driver, who's the star driver, driver. And [01:19:34.760 -> 01:19:40.440] then it's a bit disappointing then to find out that really you can only compare the driver [01:19:40.440 -> 01:19:45.560] to one other driver. And you can only actually do that in about half the teams [01:19:45.560 -> 01:19:47.760] where they have truly equal status. [01:19:47.760 -> 01:19:53.820] Yeah, and this is the thing, the driver matters, and the driver can matter a lot. [01:19:53.820 -> 01:19:58.060] But yeah, like 95% of it is really just the car. [01:19:58.060 -> 01:20:00.340] And that's an easy thought experiment. [01:20:00.340 -> 01:20:04.540] Think of one other driver that could win like Max is winning right now if they had that [01:20:04.540 -> 01:20:05.520] dominant a car. Could you think of one? Okay that could win like Max is winning right now if they had that dominant car. [01:20:05.520 -> 01:20:06.480] Could you think of one? [01:20:06.480 -> 01:20:11.200] And you'd have to be number one driver as well in that situation too. [01:20:11.200 -> 01:20:16.000] Yeah, but you get my point. You could take Alonzo, you could take Hamilton, [01:20:16.640 -> 01:20:21.120] get rid of Max, put them in that Red Bull and they'd be winning a championship with it. [01:20:21.760 -> 01:20:29.040] And I don't even think that's a very controversial thing to say, quite honestly, because really the engineering in the car is so very, very important. [01:20:29.040 -> 01:20:32.000] Thankfully for you, I figured out how to make this work. [01:20:32.000 -> 01:20:41.360] And the problem is, you just need to be American enough. The balance of performance is fuel flow, [01:20:41.920 -> 01:20:46.160] which is how a lot of times it's either weight or fuel flow that they [01:20:46.160 -> 01:20:48.240] will use to restrict the engine. [01:20:48.240 -> 01:20:51.160] And that's easy because you have the Formula One drivers do qualifying. [01:20:51.160 -> 01:20:57.440] So you have a pretty, actually authentic number to work with to use to restrict the fuel flow. [01:20:57.440 -> 01:20:59.040] So they're all faster. [01:20:59.040 -> 01:21:00.680] But here's the twist. [01:21:00.680 -> 01:21:02.260] This is where I'm genius. [01:21:02.260 -> 01:21:03.260] Here's the twist. [01:21:03.260 -> 01:21:05.880] The Formula One drivers don't do the sprint. [01:21:05.880 -> 01:21:08.880] The junior drivers do the sprint, [01:21:08.880 -> 01:21:13.880] but the Formula One driver has to start the car the next day [01:21:13.880 -> 01:21:16.880] in whatever condition it finishes the race in. [01:21:16.880 -> 01:21:17.880] So from the wall. [01:21:17.880 -> 01:21:18.880] Think about it! [01:21:18.880 -> 01:21:19.880] That's genius! [01:21:19.880 -> 01:21:21.880] But look, this is the thing, Stuffy. [01:21:21.880 -> 01:21:25.800] We're fixing something that you looked very, very [01:21:25.800 -> 01:21:30.200] unenthusiastic and sad about when we mentioned it, the sprint races. Have you not been indoctrinated [01:21:30.200 -> 01:21:36.540] yet? You were told, Scott, you were told, you are bored on a Friday and you are bored [01:21:36.540 -> 01:21:41.740] on a Saturday. You do not like FP3. You needed another race. You've got it. Why are you [01:21:41.740 -> 01:21:43.440] being so ungrateful? [01:21:43.440 -> 01:21:48.200] I'm not bored on a Saturday. I never used to be bored on a Saturday because I had qualifying [01:21:48.200 -> 01:21:54.440] to watch and then I had my football to watch in the afternoon. Now, and I get it's great [01:21:54.440 -> 01:22:00.480] for people across the world, but I'm being a selfish European right now. Having qualifying [01:22:00.480 -> 01:22:09.960] while I'm still at work on a Friday afternoon, because I'm unfortunate enough to go to the pub early on a Friday afternoon at work and seeing the qualifying has started [01:22:09.960 -> 01:22:17.200] and miss all of it before I've even got home is frustrating. And then to not care about [01:22:17.200 -> 01:22:27.280] what happened Saturday, because it's meaningless to be perfectly honest with you, and then only have Sunday for the racing, um, is, is so frustrating. [01:22:27.280 -> 01:22:31.240] And I know I'm being very like, as any, as Christina said, there's only [01:22:31.240 -> 01:22:34.780] six races to worry about this a year, but what's the stop them adding more. [01:22:34.840 -> 01:22:37.460] Like, you know, they probably want to add more just like they do [01:22:37.460 -> 01:22:39.680] with the amount of races per year. [01:22:39.720 -> 01:22:44.120] They want to maximize their products and they want there to be an [01:22:44.120 -> 01:22:45.760] entertaining factor to their products [01:22:45.760 -> 01:22:54.440] every single race weekend for every day. But for me, I get having a little tester to see [01:22:54.440 -> 01:22:59.400] if it works, but for me personally, it hasn't worked. People still don't understand. People [01:22:59.400 -> 01:23:03.760] are calling for the sprint championship to be its own thing. Like, no, why are you trying [01:23:03.760 -> 01:23:06.440] to detract away from what everyone [01:23:06.440 -> 01:23:09.120] cares about in the first place, which is the main championship, [01:23:09.120 -> 01:23:11.300] the constructors and the drivers championship. [01:23:11.300 -> 01:23:14.960] It's even now, like Max has won the championship. [01:23:14.960 -> 01:23:20.600] He won it two races into the season and people, people, I've [01:23:20.600 -> 01:23:23.320] seen people defending the season this year going, well, there's [01:23:23.320 -> 01:23:25.800] been great racing behind the winner. [01:23:25.800 -> 01:23:29.440] Well, no, a lot of people only care about the league [01:23:29.440 -> 01:23:31.520] and who wins overall. [01:23:31.520 -> 01:23:33.800] They don't care about who's fighting for fifth or sixth [01:23:33.800 -> 01:23:37.320] or whatever, as good as the racing is for us purists, [01:23:37.320 -> 01:23:40.400] the general fan only cares about the headliners. [01:23:40.400 -> 01:23:41.520] Little rant there, guys. [01:23:41.520 -> 01:23:42.480] No, no, that's fine. [01:23:42.480 -> 01:23:45.600] And look, that is very topical, [01:23:45.600 -> 01:23:49.680] because Matt, we got some insight from FOM, [01:23:49.680 -> 01:23:51.400] from Liberty Media, [01:23:51.400 -> 01:23:53.400] because I've been ranting, haven't I, [01:23:53.400 -> 01:23:56.500] about how this is a deliberate media push [01:23:56.500 -> 01:24:00.920] to make us all appreciate the records that we're watching. [01:24:00.920 -> 01:24:02.400] And who's this? [01:24:02.400 -> 01:24:03.240] Who's this? [01:24:03.240 -> 01:24:04.060] Maffie? [01:24:04.060 -> 01:24:09.520] Who's Maffie? It's Greg Mafi. Mafi. Yeah. Sort of gave [01:24:09.520 -> 01:24:14.560] the game away. Sort of gave the game away, didn't he, by saying Stefano Di Mano Cali is rightly [01:24:14.560 -> 01:24:19.440] trying to pivot and say, come and watch this historic event. You've never seen success like [01:24:19.440 -> 01:24:24.080] this and you don't want to miss it. And we'll see if that works. So he's given the game away [01:24:24.080 -> 01:24:28.720] because we were suspecting that there was this, not suspecting, it's so obvious, there's a [01:24:28.720 -> 01:24:34.520] deliberate media push to say exactly the same message that Dominic Carly is trying to put [01:24:34.520 -> 01:24:42.860] out. I even saw one journalist who I respect a lot and it felt like a gun to the head article. [01:24:42.860 -> 01:24:47.620] So it was an article that said, oh, my view on Verstappen dominance. [01:24:47.620 -> 01:24:49.520] And the article basically said, [01:24:49.520 -> 01:24:52.840] it's fine, I guess, it's happened before. [01:24:52.840 -> 01:24:54.720] And he basically had written this article saying, [01:24:54.720 -> 01:24:57.200] I have no strong views on this one way or the other, [01:24:57.200 -> 01:24:58.280] but it's fine. [01:24:58.280 -> 01:25:01.200] Like there's no reason to have written that article [01:25:01.200 -> 01:25:03.440] unless there was a big kind of push [01:25:03.440 -> 01:25:05.120] to the accredited media saying, [01:25:10.080 -> 01:25:15.360] please write an article that it's not terrible that Verstappen is dominating right now. And this fellow, Maffei, Matt, has just sort of, he's given the game away. You're not, [01:25:16.320 -> 01:25:18.080] he's said the quiet bit out loud. [01:25:18.960 -> 01:25:23.120] Yeah, well, this is for an investors conference in Goldman Sachs, I believe. [01:25:24.000 -> 01:25:26.240] And it was actually, it's really hilarious. [01:25:26.240 -> 01:25:29.280] He basically said, well, yeah, you know, it's very attractive. [01:25:29.280 -> 01:25:33.040] Other than we have Max and like short of like pulling a Tanya Harding [01:25:33.040 -> 01:25:36.240] and breaking his leg, there's not really a lot we can do about that. [01:25:36.600 -> 01:25:39.840] Yeah. But but but aside from that, [01:25:40.280 -> 01:25:44.440] overall, the sport is doing well, the numbers, there is growth. [01:25:44.440 -> 01:25:51.560] In fact, he said that I think three of the top four feud races have been this season. [01:25:51.560 -> 01:25:54.720] Yes, but that's earlier in the season. [01:25:54.720 -> 01:26:00.120] And what he then went on to say that I think is interesting, given the makeup of our panel, [01:26:00.120 -> 01:26:05.760] is that given how much they've grown Instagram, YouTube and tech doc, the amount of interest is [01:26:06.560 -> 01:26:12.800] much greater than double digits growth. So he's convinced that even with Max doing this, [01:26:13.440 -> 01:26:17.520] and to be fair, he said, we'll see if Stefano succeeds in this. It's not like, [01:26:18.320 -> 01:26:29.840] he's like, we'll see how that goes. But, but they, they are taking the view of, we are in charge of the overall, you know, generating [01:26:29.840 -> 01:26:34.960] the excitement and we'll just continue to do what we've been doing because it's been, [01:26:34.960 -> 01:26:37.200] can't argue with, incredibly successful. [01:26:37.200 -> 01:26:39.700] I wish they would be more honest. [01:26:39.700 -> 01:26:44.560] So I feel like we're being taken for fools when we're being told you should be enjoying [01:26:44.560 -> 01:26:47.860] the dominance and you should be watching these records rack up. [01:26:47.860 -> 01:26:48.860] Like that is the thing. [01:26:48.860 -> 01:26:51.740] That's a curiosity to see all these records rack up. [01:26:51.740 -> 01:26:52.740] That's fine. [01:26:52.740 -> 01:26:55.740] But obviously we all wish there was more competition at the front. [01:26:55.740 -> 01:26:58.580] So I think we can be honest about that and go, right, this is one of those phases in [01:26:58.580 -> 01:27:02.700] F1 where someone's dominating, but let's focus on the positives. [01:27:02.700 -> 01:27:06.780] I dislike this push to kind of say, no, you're [01:27:06.780 -> 01:27:12.460] enjoying someone being dominant up at the front. And that's actually, that's a great [01:27:12.460 -> 01:27:15.740] thing. That's what I object to, Matt. [01:27:15.740 -> 01:27:21.920] And that's fair. I agree with you. But I think the point they're trying to sell you on here, [01:27:21.920 -> 01:27:26.240] and if you think back to like, I'm going to use baseball, as the more he wins, [01:27:26.240 -> 01:27:33.600] the more Red Bull wins, the more improbability accrues. It's very unlikely to have that kind [01:27:33.600 -> 01:27:41.360] of dominance, not interrupted by something at some point. So yeah, you may tune in and see Max, [01:27:41.360 -> 01:27:46.260] you know, 30 seconds off the front, not bothered by anybody until he drives [01:27:46.260 -> 01:27:50.960] in until a bird winds up in his side pod and his engine overheats. [01:27:50.960 -> 01:27:51.960] And that's his check. [01:27:51.960 -> 01:27:53.660] Oh, had a bad qualifying. [01:27:53.660 -> 01:27:57.420] And suddenly you're like, will Red Bull make it? [01:27:57.420 -> 01:28:01.120] You know, I think they're trying to, they're trying to sell you on. [01:28:01.120 -> 01:28:08.000] And the other thing, and I think this is it too, is, well, when are you ever going to see this again? [01:28:08.000 -> 01:28:11.000] Because I don't, I think it's unlikely. [01:28:11.000 -> 01:28:12.000] Scott. [01:28:12.000 -> 01:28:13.000] Yeah. [01:28:13.000 -> 01:28:18.000] I mean, at the end of the day, Liberty are just trying to protect their products. [01:28:18.000 -> 01:28:25.260] They know that we've just had 2021, we've had this uptick in viewership and closest championship fight ever. [01:28:25.260 -> 01:28:27.560] And then two years later, [01:28:27.560 -> 01:28:29.440] we're having the most dominant season in F1 [01:28:29.440 -> 01:28:31.800] we're probably ever gonna see. [01:28:31.800 -> 01:28:34.960] And personally, I don't think dominance is a bad thing, [01:28:34.960 -> 01:28:37.900] but it's the manner in which dominance occurs. [01:28:37.900 -> 01:28:42.240] I don't care if Max wins every single race in a year, [01:28:42.240 -> 01:28:47.680] as long as he has a teammate to fight. He has another team to fight. We have [01:28:47.680 -> 01:28:51.360] something to chat about rather than him lining up anywhere on [01:28:51.360 -> 01:28:55.120] the grid and still expecting him to win the race. That's a [01:28:55.120 -> 01:28:59.280] compliment to him and the Red Bull Cup, but it's neither here [01:28:59.280 -> 01:29:03.040] or there. We want champs, but at the end of the day, there are [01:29:03.040 -> 01:29:08.560] sportsmen in other sports who have dominated their, have dominated in their [01:29:08.560 -> 01:29:11.660] careers, but there are battles and matches that they've had [01:29:11.700 -> 01:29:15.100] throughout their career that we look back on and we go, God, do [01:29:15.100 -> 01:29:19.220] you remember that match between Nadal and Federer as an example, [01:29:19.260 -> 01:29:22.860] or like when Tiger Woods, like hold that, that chip in that [01:29:22.860 -> 01:29:26.920] night and he went to play for these sorts of things. And of course, the only [01:29:26.920 -> 01:29:29.680] narrative they can push now to keep people interested is, well, [01:29:29.680 -> 01:29:34.120] we need you to, to cheer for Max to break these records. You want [01:29:34.120 -> 01:29:39.200] him to win every race between now and Abu Dhabi. I've seen [01:29:39.200 -> 01:29:42.080] people tweet say, well, if he does win every race or Red Bull [01:29:42.080 -> 01:29:46.920] does win every race to the last championship, sorry, every race to Abu Dhabi, [01:29:46.920 -> 01:29:49.320] will you be sitting there cheering for them [01:29:49.320 -> 01:29:50.160] or will you be against them? [01:29:50.160 -> 01:29:50.980] Will you be the history on top? [01:29:50.980 -> 01:29:54.440] And I'm like, what, this is just, [01:29:54.440 -> 01:29:56.320] the narrative is being pushed. [01:29:56.320 -> 01:29:58.160] We as race fans want to see racing [01:29:58.160 -> 01:29:59.920] and someone driving off into the distance, [01:29:59.920 -> 01:30:01.840] winning by 30, 40 seconds, [01:30:01.840 -> 01:30:04.360] or winning a race wherever they start on the grid, [01:30:04.360 -> 01:30:06.160] isn't't enjoyable. [01:30:06.160 -> 01:30:10.560] No. So when we look back at periods of domination like this, where there was an inevitability, [01:30:10.560 -> 01:30:15.360] you look at some of the Schumacher seasons where he could just go off and win by a lap, [01:30:16.240 -> 01:30:21.360] 2013, Sebastian Vettel, and actually, in my head, as you were talking, I was thinking [01:30:21.360 -> 01:30:26.480] Lewis Hamilton 2020, but I looked back at the race results for 2020 [01:30:26.480 -> 01:30:31.040] and okay, just very quickly, it's Bottas, Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton, Verstappen, [01:30:31.040 -> 01:30:35.280] Hamilton, Hamilton, Gasly, Hamilton, Bottas, Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton, Hamilton, [01:30:35.280 -> 01:30:41.920] Hamilton, Perez, Verstappen. So there was, I felt in that season, even if he didn't out-qualify [01:30:41.920 -> 01:30:45.040] Bottas, there was an inevitability that he was going [01:30:45.040 -> 01:30:50.080] to get ahead. But this is another, you know, it's another step above it. So personally, [01:30:50.080 -> 01:30:55.120] I don't have any truck in those records. And if he was making those records, like say, [01:30:55.120 -> 01:31:00.640] like crossing the line on the last lap, having to do a last ditch attempt to get that win, [01:31:00.640 -> 01:31:05.600] it might have a bit more sway. But yeah, I just wish everyone would concentrate [01:31:05.600 -> 01:31:10.960] on the battle beforehand and not try to pretend that this is a feature, not a bug. I think [01:31:10.960 -> 01:31:16.760] the key is they would never choose to have a season like this. I think that's probably [01:31:16.760 -> 01:31:20.960] the giveaway. Thank you for joining us on Myst Apex for a new show. We appreciate your [01:31:20.960 -> 01:31:25.040] feedback. Feedback at mystax.net and we appreciate your support [01:31:25.040 -> 01:31:31.680] patreon.com forward slash missapex see if being a patron of missapex is for you and hopefully we can [01:31:31.680 -> 01:31:37.760] provide you with some value with a ad-free feed some extra content before the race and we have a [01:31:37.760 -> 01:31:44.320] nice slack forum to chat with it's a very nice place to talk about f1 and to chat along with [01:31:44.320 -> 01:31:45.600] during the races as well. [01:31:45.600 -> 01:31:49.280] So look in our show notes below for all of that information and follow our panel. [01:31:49.280 -> 01:31:52.960] Go and follow Christina on TikTok. Christina, what's that handle again? Because I got it wrong [01:31:52.960 -> 01:31:58.960] last time. As she struggles to... That cat is a liability. We will sort this out for the next show. [01:32:00.160 -> 01:32:10.520] I'm Christina.fastcars. There we go. And you're on Instagram as well, because you try and attend a lot of races there in the [01:32:10.520 -> 01:32:11.520] Arctic Circle. [01:32:11.520 -> 01:32:12.520] Yes. [01:32:12.520 -> 01:32:13.520] Oh, my goodness. [01:32:13.520 -> 01:32:17.520] We try to attend many races. [01:32:17.520 -> 01:32:20.520] We leave him at home for those. [01:32:20.520 -> 01:32:24.360] But Instagram, I'm at Christina Lee Mace, but I have a link tree, so it's all right [01:32:24.360 -> 01:32:25.700] there and you don't even have to think about it. [01:32:25.700 -> 01:32:29.500] There we go. Give us the link to your link tree and we'll put that in the show notes. [01:32:29.500 -> 01:32:32.300] And Scott, people should watch your sim racing. [01:32:32.300 -> 01:32:38.500] You are one of the calmest sim racers out there in that you can get absolutely wiped out and you'll just go, [01:32:38.500 -> 01:32:41.700] Oh no, my entire day's been ruined by this race. [01:32:41.700 -> 01:32:43.300] Oh, well, let's do the next one. [01:32:43.300 -> 01:32:44.300] Yes. [01:32:44.300 -> 01:32:48.080] Well, you'll be glad to know and I'll send you them. I did lose my temper. [01:32:48.080 -> 01:32:49.080] Oh, did you? [01:32:49.080 -> 01:32:50.080] A little bit. [01:32:50.080 -> 01:32:51.080] Oh, I want to see, I want to see. [01:32:51.080 -> 01:32:57.320] Yes, mainly because it was my own fault and I have no one else to blame. I'm my harshest [01:32:57.320 -> 01:33:03.240] critic when it comes to sports and yeah, it's nothing more painful than having no one else [01:33:03.240 -> 01:33:06.560] to blame but yourself. But yeah, no, follow me over at stuffie, [01:33:06.560 -> 01:33:11.360] stuffie, double F-E, double Y, and yeah, all sim racing and F1 watch along content. [01:33:11.360 -> 01:33:16.080] Yeah. So much as Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome would have said, [01:33:18.000 -> 01:33:23.680] fear not about the result. Did you act in a honourable and worthy way? [01:33:23.680 -> 01:33:30.760] And that's the only way by which you can judge how you should emotionally react to an outcome. [01:33:30.760 -> 01:33:35.760] If you mean by slapping myself around the face, then yes. [01:33:35.760 -> 01:33:38.920] That's actually the next Marcus Aurelius quote that I was about to give. [01:33:38.920 -> 01:33:41.720] So yeah, we're on the same wavelength, you and I. [01:33:41.720 -> 01:33:47.520] And Matt Trumpets at MattPT55 and Matt Trumpets on Facebook as well, [01:33:47.520 -> 01:33:54.560] so you should go and follow Matt there too. And your wife sells books of a romantic nature and [01:33:55.200 -> 01:34:00.160] you can buy those. We'll link to those. It's at A Weaver Writes. She is an author. She writes [01:34:00.160 -> 01:34:08.360] romantic novels and you have to think that a lot of her romantic novels are inspired by her liaisons with Matt Trumpets. [01:34:08.360 -> 01:34:14.020] So in a way, all her romantic novels are Matt Trumpets romantic fan fiction. [01:34:14.020 -> 01:34:15.280] I don't know if that's a selling... [01:34:15.280 -> 01:34:16.280] Is that a plus or a minus? [01:34:16.280 -> 01:34:17.280] I don't know. [01:34:17.280 -> 01:34:20.840] If it makes you more inclined to buy them, feel free to think that. [01:34:20.840 -> 01:34:21.840] It does me. [01:34:21.840 -> 01:34:24.120] There's links in the show notes below and obviously follow me. [01:34:24.120 -> 01:34:29.920] My links are there. At Spanners ready on twitter richard ready on facebook please do follow missed apex at missed [01:34:29.920 -> 01:34:36.400] apex f1 we've got joe sayward coming and joining us on tuesday we've got our race review with [01:34:37.600 -> 01:34:45.640] dan at engine mode 11 so dan jury from the engine breaking Pod is joining us. That's right, Matt, did I not tell you? [01:34:45.640 -> 01:34:46.640] For a race review. [01:34:46.640 -> 01:34:47.640] No, you did not tell me. [01:34:47.640 -> 01:34:48.640] He's joining us for a race review. [01:34:48.640 -> 01:34:49.640] There you go. [01:34:49.640 -> 01:34:54.200] And we might be doing a Home and Home and visiting their podcast as well. [01:34:54.200 -> 01:34:56.900] And Antonio Rankin will also be here on Sunday as well. [01:34:56.900 -> 01:35:00.680] And then we're looking at getting Matthew Carter returning to the podcast on the Tuesday [01:35:00.680 -> 01:35:01.680] after that. [01:35:01.680 -> 01:35:03.600] And then, of course, it's the Japanese Grand Prix. [01:35:03.600 -> 01:35:46.480] So there's a lot to look forward to. But wherever we see you next, work hard, be kind and have fun. This was MissedApexPodcast. And we're out of here. Thanks for joining us, guys.. Good night. Good evening. Good day. Adios. Au revoir. Guten tag? [01:35:48.560 -> 01:35:53.600] Krankenhausen? Bibliothek. Bibliothek. We're going, we're going. Bye. 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