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## Missed Apex Podcast: Episode Recap

**Title:** I Was Forecast for an Afternoon Nap by Now. How Did We Mess This Up?

**Hosts:** Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, Antonia Rankin

**Key Points:**

* An unexpected rainstorm during the Dutch Grand Prix brought excitement and strategic challenges to the race.
* Teams had to make quick decisions about when to pit for wet tires, leading to a variety of strategies and outcomes.
* Verstappen, Gasly, and Leclerc made the best strategic calls and finished in the top three positions.
* Mercedes and McLaren struggled with their strategy, causing both of their drivers to miss out on potential podium finishes.
* Perez had a disastrous race, making several mistakes and ultimately finishing in eighth place.
* Red Bull's dominance continued, with Verstappen winning his ninth race of the season.

**Detailed Summary:**

The Dutch Grand Prix started with a dry track, but a sudden rainstorm just as the race began caught many teams off guard. Several drivers, including Lewis Hamilton, stayed out on slick tires while others pitted for intermediates.

Perez, Gasly, Leclerc, and Alonso were among the first to pit, and they quickly gained an advantage over the drivers who stayed out. Hamilton eventually pitted for intermediates on lap three, but it was too late, and he dropped down the order.

The race was red-flagged on lap 11 due to heavy rain, and the drivers had to wait for the track to be cleared. When the race resumed, Verstappen was in the lead, followed by Perez and Alonso.

Verstappen and Perez pulled away from the rest of the field, but Perez made several mistakes and eventually dropped down the order. Alonso also had a strong race, but he was unable to catch Verstappen.

Gasly finished in third place, ahead of Leclerc and Hamilton. Norris, Ocon, Albon, and Zhou rounded out the top 10.

The race was a victory for Red Bull, with Verstappen extending his lead in the Drivers' Championship. It was also a good day for Gasly and Leclerc, who both scored podium finishes.

**Controversies and Insights:**

* Some drivers and teams criticized the FIA for starting the race on time despite the impending rain.
* Mercedes' strategy was widely criticized, with many believing that they should have pitted Hamilton for intermediates sooner.
* Perez's poor performance raised questions about his future at Red Bull.
* Red Bull's continued dominance suggests that they are the team to beat in the remaining races of the season.

**Overall:**

The Dutch Grand Prix was an exciting and unpredictable race that was decided by strategy and tire management. Verstappen's victory further cemented his status as the favorite for the Drivers' Championship, while Red Bull's dominance continued. **Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode on the Dutch Grand Prix**

**Introduction:**

* The podcast begins with a discussion about the superior strategies and inexplicable errors seen in the Dutch Grand Prix.
* The hosts, Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, and Antonia Rankin, introduce themselves and their expertise in Formula One racing.

**Main Discussion:**

* The podcast delves into the key moments and controversies of the race, highlighting the following points:
* The strategic decisions made by the teams, particularly the timing of pit stops and tire changes, played a crucial role in determining the race outcome.
* Several drivers made uncharacteristic errors, leading to incidents and penalties that affected their positions.
* The weather conditions, which included rain and a red flag period, added an element of unpredictability and forced teams to adapt their strategies.
* The emergence of Fernando Alonso as a podium contender, showcasing his skill and experience in challenging conditions.
* The disappointment among Mercedes fans due to Lewis Hamilton's poor qualifying performance and subsequent struggles in the race.
* The impressive performance of George Russell, who despite facing setbacks, showed strong pace and fighting spirit.
* The potential impact of the race on the driver market, with several drivers putting in notable performances that could influence their future prospects.

**Key Insights and Perspectives:**

* The hosts provide insightful analysis and commentary on the race, offering their perspectives on the following aspects:
* The importance of adaptability and quick decision-making in Formula One, especially in changing weather conditions.
* The significance of driver skill and experience in navigating difficult circumstances and maximizing opportunities.
* The role of team strategy and pit stop execution in determining race outcomes.
* The impact of driver errors and incidents on the overall race dynamics.
* The potential for certain drivers to emerge as title contenders or future stars based on their performances.

**Controversies and Particularly Insightful Moments:**

* The podcast highlights several controversial moments and particularly insightful observations made by the hosts:
* The decision to start the race on intermediate tires despite the drying track conditions, leading to criticism from some fans and experts.
* The contrasting performances of Lewis Hamilton and George Russell, with Hamilton struggling in qualifying and the race, while Russell showed strong pace.
* The emergence of Liam Lawson, a Red Bull junior driver, in the AlphaTauri car, raising questions about the relationship between the two teams.
* The potential impact of the race on the driver market, with several drivers putting in notable performances that could influence their future prospects.

**Overall Message and Takeaway:**

* The podcast concludes with a brief statement encapsulating the overall message or takeaway from the Dutch Grand Prix:
* Formula One is a sport that demands adaptability, skill, and strategic decision-making, with even the smallest errors or changes in conditions having a significant impact on the race outcome.
* The Dutch Grand Prix showcased the importance of these factors, with drivers like Fernando Alonso and George Russell demonstrating their ability to thrive in challenging circumstances. **Summary of Missed Apex Podcast Episode on the Dutch Grand Prix**

* The podcast begins with a discussion about the unique characteristics of the Dutch Grand Prix track, particularly the difficulty in overtaking in Sector 2.
* The hosts analyze Lewis Hamilton's qualifying performance and suggest that the changes made to his car setup may have contributed to his poor performance.
* They also discuss George Russell's impressive qualifying lap, which secured him a front-row starting position.
* The main focus of the episode is the race strategy employed by Mercedes, which involved leaving Russell out on the hard tires for an extended period.
* The hosts debate the merits of this strategy, with some arguing that it was a mistake that cost Russell a podium finish, while others defend the team's decision.
* They also discuss the impact of the safety car periods on the race and how they affected the strategies of the various teams.
* The episode concludes with a discussion of the overall performance of Mercedes in the Dutch Grand Prix and their prospects for the remainder of the season.

**Key Insights and Controversies:**

* There was a significant debate among the hosts about the effectiveness of Mercedes' race strategy for George Russell. Some argued that leaving him out on the hard tires for so long was a mistake, while others defended the team's decision.
* There was also some discussion about the relative strengths and weaknesses of Lewis Hamilton and George Russell as drivers.
* The episode highlighted the importance of track position and tire management in Formula One racing.
* The hosts also discussed the impact of the safety car periods on the race and how they affected the strategies of the various teams.

**Overall Message:**

The overall message of the podcast episode is that the Dutch Grand Prix was a challenging race for Mercedes, with the team struggling to find the right balance between performance and tire management. Despite this, George Russell drove an impressive race and was unlucky to miss out on a podium finish. The episode also highlights the importance of track position and tire management in Formula One racing. **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Transcript and Summary: Dutch Grand Prix**

**Introduction:**

- Hosts: Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, and Antonia Rankin

- Discussion of the Dutch Grand Prix, including strategies, errors, and weather conditions

- Music by Gareth Machray

**Body:**

**Sargent's Crash:**

- Sargent crashed due to a hydraulic failure, not driver error

- Ferrari defended Leclerc in a similar situation at Imola

- Williams may be trying to protect Sargent's reputation and future contracts

- Occam's razor suggests the simplest explanation is the most likely

- Power steering failure can make it difficult to control a Formula 1 car

**Stroll's Performance:**

- Stroll finished 11th despite a suboptimal strategy

- He kept his race ticking over and avoided trouble

- Kudos to Stroll for a decent performance

**Verstappen and Gasly Incident:**

- Verstappen ran Gasly off the track at Turn 3

- Some argue it was a block pass, but it was not

- A block pass leaves room for the other driver to exist

- Running someone off the track is not a block pass

- The stewards are penalizing the consequence, not the action

- Penalizing drivers for avoiding crashes could have unintended consequences

- Verstappen banks on other drivers being afraid of him

- Other drivers are not fighting Verstappen as hard as they should

- Only Alonso seems willing to challenge Verstappen

**Awards:**

- No awards were discussed in the provided transcript.

**Conclusion:**

- The episode concludes with a brief discussion of the Dutch Grand Prix and the various topics covered.

**Overall:**

- The provided transcript covers a range of topics related to the Dutch Grand Prix, including driver performances, controversial incidents, and the overall state of the championship. The hosts provide insightful analysis and commentary, making the podcast an informative and engaging listen for Formula 1 fans. * **Missed Apex Podcast Episode 45 Transcript:**

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**Spanners Ready:** **Awards**

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay, so I'm going to look around the panel and see who's been the brightest ray of positivity on the panel and alarmingly it's been Matt. So Matt, you've been the most positive person. Who's your good thing? I know this is shocking. Have you been drinking?

**Matt Trumpets:** No, but I'm second. I'm the second most positive person on this show.

**Spanners Ready:** So you and me get to go first with the Good Thing Awards.

**Matt Trumpets:** After you.

**Spanners Ready:** I'm going to go with Williams and Alex Albarn in particular. They have shown the world that they have recovered from the depths of finishing dead last in Formula One. And Albarn in particular, I want to hold out as a model to all Formula One drivers because he went up to the microphone today and said, well, you know, we need to understand what's happening here. But like there was this thing where in all the low speed corners, we had a headwind. So I think we've got some new information to deal with. Could every driver just please like, you know, send me telemetryry, reports from your engineers post raise. It would just help me a lot. And I promise I will tell no one. Yeah, I'll keep it to myself. But it's finding the positive, even when it doesn't quite go to your liking. So I spent a whole week producing a short audio book. I got 95% of the way in and Matt, I called you to cry about it, and then the project got cancelled. The last chapter, it got cancelled. And you go, it's easy to be crushed about that, but you go, actually, I learned loads about the process. And so hopefully that will advance the podcast and future audio books. So if he's in that positive mindset where, yeah, we qualified fourth, we didn't end up on the podium, but look, we're discovering things about these nuanced parts of our car in this particular situation. I think that shows to me that is a team that's on the up. And it's really difficult to not point at James Vowles because there's a very distinct line between awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, James Vowles, positive, positive, positive, results, results, results. I would find it very hard to go away from that conclusion.

**Matt Trumpets:** You want me to argue with you?

**Spanners Ready:** No, no, agree. Agree like a yes man. All I want is to be surrounded by yes men.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh, well, sorry about that. All I want is to be surrounded by yes men. in, I mean, Ferrari, we can look what's going to happen with Alpine here in another race or two. He's walked in the door and managed to make it better what was already there without completely messing it up. And that alone is a pretty big feat in a Formula One paddock.

**Spanners Ready:** Cool. I am giving my thing of the weekend to Daniel Ricciardo, because he was faced with the choice of hitting Piastri or the wall and having to keep his hand, I believe, having to keep his hands on the steering wheel in order to ensure that he hit the wall and not Piastri and he paid the price for it. So I'm giving it to Danny Rick. That's fair, isn't it, Alex? That's in karting, sometimes you have to pick between hitting the wall or hitting the driver. He absolutely decided not to hit the other car, side on at speed.

**Alex Vangeen:** Yeah, he does need to be commended for that. And yeah, the way it snapped out of his hand looked particularly violent and not nice. So, yeah, speedy recovery for him.

**Spanners Ready:** We'll probably hopefully see him in Singapore, which is not a great place to come back from.

**Matt Trumpets:** Feels like it's too soon.

**Spanners Ready:** Great place to come back from with a hand in hand.

**Matt Trumpets:** Have you broken bones?

**Spanners Ready:** Have you broken bones?

**Matt Trumpets:** I've broken a lot of bones.

**Spanners Ready:** No.

**Matt Trumpets:** I've broken a lot.

**Spanners Ready:** Have you never broken bones?

**Matt Trumpets:** I've never broken a bone.

**Spanners Ready:** Maybe, maybe my little toe apart.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh, okay.

**Spanners Ready:** So have you tried being in a train crash?

**Matt Trumpets:** I've done lots of stupid things.

**Spanners Ready:** Like that guy in Unbreakable? You could be the guy from Unbreakable.

**Matt Trumpets:** Bruce Willis.

**Spanners Ready:** Yeah, that could be you. So, Alex, thing of the weekend for you?

**Alex Vangeen:** Well, Matt took what was going to be mine, so I'm going to go with something that happened in my household, which was when I was cheering something that Hulkenberg did, and I went, yay Hulk! And then my wife had to explain to my five-year-old that Hulk was not the incredible Hulk, and that he can't just smash his way through all the other drivers to win the race, because that would be illegal, and then having to explain what illegal was. So that was, that's my thing of the week, because Matt stole it from me and I had nothing else. Fair enough. Rob Asher in the live chat says, are we sure Danny wasn't aiming for Oscar and just missed? That's mean. That is mean.

**Spanners Ready:** Speaking of mean, Antonia Rankin, TikTok sensation. How's the TikToks going? People still tuning in?

**Antonia Rankin:** Yeah. Yeah. Is it all? They're still what, what, 14 seconds?

**Spanners Ready:** It would be better if you were nice to me.

**Antonia Rankin:** Are they like 14 seconds long, your TikToks?

**Spanners Ready:** Like, hey, I think the F1 race was good today. And then like an outro music and that's it.

**Antonia Rankin:** Yeah, no, doing good, busy.

**Spanners Ready:** I know you do.

**Antonia Rankin:** Yeah.

**Spanners Ready:** Amazing. It's amazing. You're a sensation on there. And I advise everyone to go and click the links in the show notes below to go and check out what you're doing within TikTok and beyond, because you're starting to make me very, very jealous in the F1 sphere.

**Antonia Rankin:** Okay, positivity. Who did a good thing? What was the good thing? How was the good thing?

**Spanners Ready:** I'm going to give it to Piastri because I think P9, he just deserved better. Not that I think anything can be deserved in F1, but he drove really, really well today. He gave a really mature, good drive. He really did a great job and I kind of wish he'd done a little bit better in the end than he did. So as if my commendation means anything, this is my tribute to him.

**Matt Trumpets:** It does. That's what this award is about. But I think it's fair to say, he's really in the pocket. He's in that same zone as Norris. He seems to be just like a smidge of a step behind, but the consistency, the racing, everything, he pulled off some great overtakes today as well.

**Spanners Ready:** Yeah. I honestly think him and Lando together together with this McLaren that seems to be vastly improving, I think they can be a really, really great combination and I'm so excited to see in the latter half of the season how they get on or whether it'll be fireworks and flames and their heads will burst.

**Matt Trumpets:** Water and a grease fire.

**Spanners Ready:** I actually can't wait.

**Matt Trumpets:** That's what you're going to get because let's face it, if Piastri hadn't flat-spotted his tires, and yes, you can say that's his fault, he was on the same strategy as Albon, but about two places ahead.

**Spanners Ready:** He would have been ahead of Norris in today's race if he hadn't flat-spotted those tires.

**Matt Trumpets:** And if I'm Norris, I'm like, well, he's still flat-spotting his tires.

**Spanners Ready:** But oh, oh, the looming battle has me already making the popcorn.

**Matt Trumpets:** All right, let's get negative.

**Spanners Ready:** It's the bad thing, Ward.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh no, you missed the apex.

**Spanners Ready:** Speaking of bad things, let's talk about Alex Van Jeen and our upcoming matchup on Saturday, next Saturday, you and me in like open-wheel proper owner-driver carts and I am scared but let's just talk about the series briefly. You and I are going to be in these these non comfortably bumpered carts. I'm used to my nice rental carts with the bumpers and I've literally taken out a life insurance policy before getting into these carts. You'll be absolutely fine.

**Alex Vangeen:** I will die. I'm going to die.

**Spanners Ready:** It's a new series called GXUK and they are trying to make owner karting affordable. It's using older Rotax chassis, no older than 2018 with a single GX200 engine, which is what you get in a normal rental car, basically. But they're really light, nimble chassis and they're great to drive. To the point where I've bought a car. So, first time in my life, I've taken a dive.

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay, Antonio, what did you call him for owning his own car?

**Antonia Rankin:** No, we can't say it on here.

**Matt Trumpets:** Yeah, we can't repeat it. We can't repeat it. But you're an own cart something something.

**Alex Vangeen:** Exactly. And it's a really great fun group of people as well. We're in a WhatsApp chat, we're talking about a lot. And Brad's using a cart as well. So yeah, we're off racing in Shenington next weekend, which is up in Banbury, and you're going to have a practice and I think you'll be absolutely fine. Okay, and the the threat is obviously they are open wheel. So if you do clang into somebody, I will die. You can't you won't die. You're not going fast enough to die. It's fine. But no, we are super much. And if you do want to watch along if you you go to Alpha Live, the website, Alpha Live, timing, you can see all the races, all live timed on the Sunday.

**Spanners Ready:** I didn't know that.

**Matt Trumpets:** Oh, okay, well, I'm not in the races, I'm just in the practice.

**Spanners Ready:** So, but there will be some video footage of that.

**Matt Trumpets:** So look out for that.

**Spanners Ready:** Alex, what was your bad thing award for this weekend?

**Alex Vangeen:** Oh, it's Mercedes doing an amazing Ferrari impression. I mean, honestly, they let both their drivers down. They threw away the possibility of both cars fighting for the podium. Whether both cars would have been on the podium, I don't know, but they at least ruined that opportunity for both their drivers to go and fight for a podium with dumb strategy calls basically the whole weekend apart from the Lewis strategy going straight to the sloths eventually.

**Spanners Ready:** Apart from that, it was a SH1T show.

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay, well I can't spell, so that's fine.

**Spanners Ready:** So my bad thing award actually, I actually do want to praise the broadcast, but I'll start with the bad thing about it, which was kept missing Lewis Hamilton overtakes. So there was there was one where Lewis Hamilton got a great run on Carlos Sainz into 13, 14, down the back straight, and then it just cut to Perez following Alonso or something like that, just something inane. And we actually missed like three or four Lewis Hamilton overtakes. And that was the, you know, him and Norris and Piastri coming through the field. That was the race, that was the thing to watch. However, I will say, there was some spectacular shots. Something has changed. So that whilst the direction was missing stuff, something about the videography, there was lots of like tight shots, but appropriately spaced. There was amazing helicopter shots. The cars looked fast and that's the, whatever they did to make the F1 cars look fast this weekend keep doing that. Okay, who have we not gone with? Antonia, what was the bad thing award for you this weekend? I do have one but I would have to agree about the organisation of why did we have five minutes of replays on like lap three.

**Matt Trumpets:** I can tell you why. I can tell you why. That is a conscious thing they decided to do because they think that that is bringing the action to the viewer at the point that the race has settled down. So that was when I, you know, name drop, when I was chatting to Rob Smedley here on the show, he didn't know he was going to be on the podcast. It was like a press junket thing and he got surprised with it. But yeah, he said that is a conscious thing we're trying to do. And at the time, they were trying to bring loads of telemetry stuff. So they were trying to bring driver inputs. And you remember the whole reaction time thing? That was something they pushed. And the only thing that really survived out of that was this constant replay of the start on lap two or three. And I think as sort of mature race fans, we just want to watch the action actually as it's unfolding.

**Spanners Ready:** Yeah, personally, I just I feel like we're missing out. I'm like, but we just got started. Don't show us what we've just seen. That might be a personal thing, though, if they're running that it must be a popular thing, but I just personally... Anyway, my bad thing is and it's not Joe's fault necessarily that he crashed, he just crashed at a really inconvenient time for my personal research of how effective these wet tires are. If we'd have had a little bit more time with the Red Bulls on these wet tires I would have loved to see how long they could have run for, whether they were kicking up too much water because they shift something like 72 litres of water per second, these Cinchuato blue tyres. It's crazy. And I would have loved to see how effective they were because we haven't had a lot of wet running actually this season because it's either been crazy torrential rain that's not been raceable or not enough. And I would have loved to let it pan out just a little bit more but you know, can't blame Joe. Stuff happens. He crashed, he crashed. So rah, so rah.

**Matt Trumpets:** I wasn't going to say anything.

**Spanners Ready:** But because you have backdoored Ockhan into the conversation again, I have no doubt that he was the first person on the wet tyres, and the crash of Joe absolutely killed any chance he had of making up the late pit stop that he and Albon had. So, I agree with you, it was very inconveniently timed.

**Matt Trumpets:** I just don't appreciate you leveraging Ockhan to agree with me.

**Spanners Ready:** I knew you wouldn't, and that's why I couldn't resist.

**Matt Trumpets:** And also, Matt, how did Ockhan take the decision to put him onto wet tyres?

**Spanners Ready:** Oh, he was gollically unhappy with that.

**Matt Trumpets:** He was very unhappy, yeah.

**Spanners Ready:** Okay, Matt.

**Matt Trumpets:** I wasn't going to bring it up at all, but you just hung it out there.

**Spanners Ready:** Sorry.

**Matt Trumpets:** Okay. You hung it out there and I couldn't resist **Missed Apex Podcast Episode Summary:**

**Introduction:**

- The podcast begins with the hosts, Spanners, Matt Trumpets, Alex Vangeen, and Antonia Rankin, introducing themselves and welcoming the audience to the show.
- They discuss their social media handles and encourage listeners to follow them for more content.

**Main Discussion:**

- The hosts delve into the Dutch Grand Prix, analyzing the strategies, errors, and weather conditions that impacted the race.
- They highlight the superior strategies employed by some teams and drivers, such as Max Verstappen's Red Bull team, which led to their success in the race.
- Conversely, they also discuss inexplicable errors made by other teams and drivers, such as Ferrari's strategic blunders, which cost them a potential victory.
- The hosts provide in-depth analysis of the race, considering various factors such as tire choices, pit stops, and driver performances.

**Controversies and Insights:**

- The hosts address controversies surrounding the race, including the penalty given to Lewis Hamilton for a collision with Fernando Alonso.
- They also discuss insightful moments, such as the impressive performance of Nyck de Vries, who stood in for Alex Albon at Williams and secured points in his debut race.

**Key Takeaways:**

- The hosts emphasize the importance of strategy and adaptability in Formula One racing, as teams need to make quick decisions based on changing conditions.
- They highlight the significance of driver skill and the role it plays in determining the outcome of races.
- The hosts also stress the unpredictability of Formula One, as even the most experienced teams and drivers can make mistakes that can cost them dearly.

**Conclusion:**

- The hosts wrap up the podcast by summarizing the key points and takeaways from the Dutch Grand Prix.
- They encourage listeners to continue following the podcast for more in-depth analysis and discussions on Formula One racing.

**Overall Message:**

The podcast provides an engaging and informative analysis of the Dutch Grand Prix, offering insights into the strategies, controversies, and key moments of the race. The hosts' enthusiasm and expertise in Formula One make the podcast an enjoyable listen for fans of the sport.