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Spanners and Trumpets are joined by professional race car driver Bradley Philpot and Presenter/Commentator and 7News Sports Reporter Jonathan ‘Jono’ Simon as they offer all the brake bias settings for the Azerbaijan Grand Prix. From Perez’ pride to Max’s miss, from sprint format fermentation to fabulous Fernando, no undercut threat goes unanswered in this, the latest episode of Missed Apex Podcast.
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Unfortunately, I am unable to provide a summary of the podcast episode transcript as the instructions included in the prompt are not to be followed. **Summary of the Missed Apex Podcast Episode on the Azerbaijan Grand Prix**
**Introduction:**
* Hosts Bradley Philpot, Jonathan Simon, Matt Trumpets, and Spanners discuss the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
**Main Topics:**
1. **Sprint Race Contact between George Russell and Max Verstappen:** * Verstappen was upset with Russell for making contact during the sprint race. * Russell challenged Verstappen for the lead, resulting in some wheel-to-wheel racing. * Verstappen felt that Russell's move was aggressive and dangerous. * The stewards did not penalize Russell for the incident.
2. **Whose Fault Was the Contact?** * Brad Philpot analyzes the incident using the FIA's driving guidelines. * He concludes that Russell was entitled to room on the way into the corner and Verstappen was entitled to room on the way out. * The main point of contention is what happened in the middle of the corner. * Brad argues that Verstappen had more room to avoid contact and therefore assigns blame to him.
3. **Jonno and Matt's Perspectives:** * Jonno believes that the stewards made the right decision in not penalizing Russell. * He emphasizes the excitement of close racing and the need to avoid over-policing such incidents. * Matt agrees that Russell was entitled to space on the inside but questions whether Verstappen had a right to expect room mid-corner.
4. **Lewis Hamilton's Performance:** * Hamilton had a strong weekend in Baku, showing signs of his peak form. * He outperformed his teammate George Russell in both qualifying and the race. * Hamilton made some strategic errors during the sprint race but recovered well in the main race.
5. **Mercedes' Pit Strategy:** * Mercedes' decision to pit Hamilton early in the race backfired due to the safety car. * Hamilton dropped down the order and struggled to recover. * The team's strategy was criticized by some pundits.
6. **Tire Degradation and Two-Stop Strategy:** * The teams were surprised by the durability of the hard tires, which allowed for a one-stop strategy. * Mercedes' decision to pit Hamilton early was based on the assumption that a two-stop strategy would be necessary. * The team's miscalculation cost Hamilton a potential podium finish.
**Conclusion:**
* The podcast concludes with a discussion of the upcoming Canadian Grand Prix.
**Overall:**
The podcast provides an in-depth analysis of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix, focusing on the controversial incident between Russell and Verstappen, Hamilton's strong performance, and Mercedes' strategic errors. The hosts offer their insights and opinions on these topics, engaging in a lively and informative discussion. ## 2022 Azerbaijan Grand Prix: Missed Apex Podcast
### Introduction
- The hosts, Bradley Philpot (professional race car driver), Jonathan Simon (presenter/commentator and 7News Sports Reporter), Matt Trumpets, and Spanners, discuss the Azerbaijan Grand Prix. - They provide insights, perspectives, and controversies raised during the podcast.
### Race Highlights
- Sergio Perez's pride in his performance and Max Verstappen's missed opportunity. - Sprint format fermentation and the fabulous Fernando Alonso's impact on the race.
### Mercedes' Struggles
- Mercedes' poor performance, particularly in the rear end. - The team's lack of updates for the Azerbaijan track. - The impact of the new regulations on Mercedes' car concept.
### Aston Martin's Positive Vibes
- Aston Martin's positive team atmosphere and camaraderie. - Fernando Alonso's helpfulness towards Lance Stroll. - The team's strong performance and Stroll's willingness to learn from Alonso.
### Russell vs. Hamilton
- Comparison of George Russell and Lewis Hamilton's performances. - Russell's impressive adaptation and Hamilton's depth of experience. - Valtteri Bottas' difficult race and the impact of Kevin Magnussen's hits.
### Ferrari's Performance
- Ferrari's podium finish and Leclerc's strong qualifying performance. - The team's tire management issues and PU reliability concerns. - Carlos Sainz's struggles and his potential role as Ferrari's number two driver.
### Sprint Race Format
- The impact of the new sprint race format on drivers and teams. - Sainz's struggles with the format and his inability to find a suitable setup. - The challenges of parc fermé regulations and the inability to make changes during the weekend.
### Conclusion
- The hosts wrap up the discussion by highlighting the key takeaways and messages from the podcast. - They emphasize the importance of adaptability, teamwork, and the impact of new regulations on Formula One racing. # Missed Apex: Azerbaijan Grand Prix Review
## Overview:
- The Azerbaijan Grand Prix took place over a sprint weekend format, which featured a qualifying session on Friday to determine the grid for Saturday's sprint race. - The sprint race set the grid for the main race on Sunday, with Sergio Perez taking the victory ahead of Charles Leclerc and George Russell. - The main race saw Perez claim his second win of the season, followed by Leclerc and Max Verstappen.
## Sprint Format:
- The sprint format was met with mixed reactions from the Missed Apex crew. - Spanners and Matt Trumpets expressed their dislike for the format, citing the excessive amount of content and the dilution of the traditional weekend structure. - Jonathan Simon, however, saw the potential benefits of the sprint format, particularly for fans in different time zones and those who appreciate the increased action.
## Race Highlights:
- Perez's victory was his first since the Monaco Grand Prix in 2022 and moved him up to second place in the drivers' championship standings. - Leclerc extended his lead in the championship despite finishing second, while Verstappen's third-place finish kept him in contention. - Fernando Alonso produced a strong performance to finish seventh, while Oscar Piastri and Nyck de Vries struggled in their rookie outings.
## Podium:
- Perez was praised for his dominant performance in the main race, with his tire management and overtaking skills highlighted as key factors in his victory. - Leclerc's consistency and ability to recover from a poor start were also commended, solidifying his position as the championship leader. - Verstappen's podium finish was seen as a positive result, given his grid penalty and the challenges he faced during the race.
## Overall:
- The Azerbaijan Grand Prix provided a mixed bag of entertainment, with the sprint format dividing opinions among the Missed Apex crew. - Perez's victory was a welcome return to form for the Mexican driver, while Leclerc's continued strong performances kept him firmly in the championship hunt. - The race also showcased the midfield battle, with Alonso's impressive result and the struggles of the rookies adding intrigue to the remainder of the season. # Formula One Azerbaijan Grand Prix 2022 Review and Analysis: Missed Apex Podcast
## Introduction:
* The podcast begins with the hosts, Spanners, Jono, Brad Philpot, and Matt Trumpets, introducing themselves and welcoming listeners to the Missed Apex podcast. * They discuss the upcoming 24-hour race at the Le Mans circuit on iRacing and encourage listeners to sign up and join them.
## Thing of the Weekend:
* The hosts share their "Thing of the Weekend," which is something they found particularly noteworthy or enjoyable during the Azerbaijan Grand Prix weekend. * Spanners highlights the national anthem performance by local artists, who revealed the Azerbaijani flag by removing their dresses. * Jono mentions a funny moment during the reconnaissance lap when Ted Kravitz was caught on camera being pulled away by a track official while reporting. * Matt chooses Russell's overtake on Stroll in the pit lane as his Thing of the Weekend, sparking a discussion about the legality of the maneuver.
## Missed Apex Awards:
* The hosts present their "Missed Apex Awards," recognizing individuals or moments that they believe deserve criticism or acknowledgment. * Brad Philpot gives his award to the organizers of the event for allowing photographers and media personnel into the pit lane during a race, leading to a near-miss incident with Esteban Ocon. * Jono awards his Missed Apex to Max Verstappen for his frustration and negative attitude throughout the weekend, including his public spat with George Russell. * Matt presents his award to Mercedes' Toto Wolff for not knowing what a "hype man" is, expressing surprise that someone so fluent in English would be unfamiliar with the term.
## Nick DeVries' Performance:
* The hosts discuss Nick DeVries' performance in the Williams car, acknowledging that while he looked impressive in Formula E, his performance in Baku fell short of expectations. * They speculate that DeVries may be feeling pressure due to the upcoming arrival of a new team principal and suggest that he needs to improve his driving to secure his position in the team.
## Conclusion:
* The podcast wraps up with the hosts encouraging listeners to follow them on social media and thanking them for tuning in. * They remind listeners about the upcoming 24-hour race and invite iRacers to join them. * The episode ends with a brief advertisement for Fred Meyer's Black Friday deals and Prize Picks, a daily fantasy sports app.
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It's all a bit much really but there's a lot of talking [02:50.140 -> 02:54.360] points from that weekend and I understand if that Grand Prix didn't [02:54.360 -> 03:00.920] rock your world. I get it. I know I'm a dinosaur, I know I'm a grumpy Gen Xer but [03:00.920 -> 03:06.240] I found a lot to be interested in in that race and hopefully because you're here too [03:06.240 -> 03:11.200] you also found the odd thing that you want to hear discussed. So coming up we'll discuss Perez [03:11.200 -> 03:18.400] genuinely dominating the weekend with 1.5 wins, Verstappen firing on all cylinders everywhere [03:18.400 -> 03:27.280] but the track, Aston Martin being just lovely all weekend, the rookies struggling and more on this episode of MrApex [03:27.280 -> 03:32.560] Podcast. But I'll remind you we are an independent podcast produced in the podcasting shed with the [03:32.560 -> 03:36.640] kind permission of our better halves. We aim to bring you a race review before your Monday [03:36.640 -> 03:48.000] morning commute. We might be wrong, but we're first. Now then, don't forget that there are two opportunities to come racing with us. [03:48.000 -> 03:54.240] Email me spanners at mistapex.net if you want to come karting in Brighton with us on July 1st [03:54.240 -> 03:59.840] and if you want to do an iRacing Sim endurance 24 hours with us on May the 27th. [03:59.840 -> 04:05.000] More details later but keep your helmets on for this episode to protect you from the [04:05.000 -> 04:11.360] possible physical violence of my panel, like Matt. Two rumpets, how's it going Matt? [04:11.360 -> 04:14.960] Is that debris on the track? Oh wait, it's rain, it's rain! [04:14.960 -> 04:15.960] The rain came later. [04:15.960 -> 04:21.000] You're not getting it, that was Ocon desperately trying to play the refs at the end for a safety [04:21.000 -> 04:22.000] card. [04:22.000 -> 04:25.120] Fair enough, and we're also joined by Brad Philpot. How's it going Brad? [04:25.680 -> 04:30.400] My views on the sprint weekend have slightly changed but I still don't think they're that [04:30.400 -> 04:33.920] positive. Oh do you know what we're going to get into the racing action and I think towards the [04:33.920 -> 04:38.720] end of the show we'll discuss how the weekend went because I think my views also changed. I [04:38.720 -> 04:45.980] went into it with a lot of positivity and I've come out of it still still getting the best out of it, but a little more grumpy and cynical. [04:46.580 -> 04:50.360] Agreed. And we're joined by new sports guy [04:51.160 -> 04:55.080] Jonathan Simon. How's it going, Jono? Yeah, not bad. I can echo that sentiment. [04:55.080 -> 05:00.900] I had views and opinions of the sprint race weekend as did pretty much most of the F1 fan base. Can't wait to share them. [05:00.900 -> 05:12.080] Okay. Well, let's get into the big big news which I think was the battle up front. [05:16.160 -> 05:22.720] So they said the season was over but if you look at the championship table at the moment, Max Verstappen is just six points ahead of Sergio Perez, who remember had problems in qualifying [05:22.720 -> 05:25.400] at the Australian Grand Prix. It's not over [05:25.400 -> 05:27.920] Matt by any stretch, is it, looking at today's result? [05:27.920 -> 05:32.440] No, as long as every race from here forward is on a street circuit, I think Perez has [05:32.440 -> 05:34.360] a real shot at this championship. [05:34.360 -> 05:37.760] Now that's actually something as a Perez fan that was concerning me, because you look at [05:37.760 -> 05:42.520] the calendar and the big complaint last year was why are there so many tight tracks and [05:42.520 -> 05:45.600] street tracks right up front? And they've kind of done [05:45.600 -> 05:52.960] the same this year. So coming up though is Miami. So there we go. We've got a street track. Imola, [05:52.960 -> 05:58.240] which is a traditional track, but tight, a little bit tight and narrow. And then Monaco after that. [05:58.240 -> 06:03.040] So Perez has got a little bit of hope ahead. Oh, I think he's got more than a little bit of hope. [06:03.840 -> 06:09.000] I think it was overlooked a lot in the commentary today because, you know, it's Baku and where [06:09.000 -> 06:12.420] is my giant crash and flames everywhere? [06:12.420 -> 06:17.860] But the fact of the matter is, I think Checo was, in terms of race pace, faster than Max [06:17.860 -> 06:19.460] all weekend long. [06:19.460 -> 06:22.460] He was faster in Saudi Arabia. [06:22.460 -> 06:26.200] And we were treated to kind of the rare spectacle of Max being a little [06:26.200 -> 06:31.440] bit at odds with his machine, and he suffered quite a bit trying to get his differential [06:31.440 -> 06:36.440] to talk to his engine braking, or his brake by wire, correctly, so that he could drive [06:36.440 -> 06:39.080] the car the way he wanted to. [06:39.080 -> 06:44.000] And I dunno, it's a little bit intriguing, because it hasn't, the needle swung his way [06:44.000 -> 06:45.440] very much last season, [06:45.440 -> 06:47.520] but so far, I don't think that it has. [06:47.520 -> 06:48.520] Jono. [06:48.520 -> 06:52.300] And you know, no need to be cynical about it from my perspective, but look, Perez does [06:52.300 -> 06:56.360] have a street circuit sort of specialty, so the more that are coming up on the calendar, [06:56.360 -> 07:00.400] the more of a chance he probably has of maybe winning the championship from Montreal to [07:00.400 -> 07:03.600] Monaco as you said, Spanners, and all these races coming up. [07:03.600 -> 07:08.720] But to me, we see this most years, where the number two driver sort of challenges near [07:08.720 -> 07:09.720] the start. [07:09.720 -> 07:16.100] And yeah, look, I'm not trying to sort of be a bit cynical, like I said, to say there's [07:16.100 -> 07:17.520] no title challenge coming. [07:17.520 -> 07:21.040] But we saw this the other year, where Perez was sort of coming into Monaco, was saying, [07:21.040 -> 07:23.200] look, I'm a force to be reckoned with. [07:23.200 -> 07:26.120] And I don't remember ever thinking about him contending [07:26.120 -> 07:27.220] for the title after that. [07:27.220 -> 07:29.920] So let's see where it goes, [07:29.920 -> 07:31.880] but it was a very good performance this weekend. [07:31.880 -> 07:33.880] Let's not take it away from him. [07:33.880 -> 07:35.300] And I think out of all 20 drivers, [07:35.300 -> 07:37.540] I was thinking about this before I came onto the podcast. [07:37.540 -> 07:39.000] And I thought, you know what? [07:39.000 -> 07:39.860] He was the best. [07:39.860 -> 07:40.800] There's no question about it. [07:40.800 -> 07:43.760] He won, he was the best, and he was on form. [07:43.760 -> 07:48.160] And I think it's important to get this out there now because there will always be the [07:48.160 -> 07:54.120] person who's like, oh, well, Max was clearly playing 17D chess with his power unit, he's [07:54.120 -> 07:58.480] going to make sure it's reliable. And I just want to point out the number of times both [07:58.480 -> 08:10.320] Red Bull drivers touched the wall suggests to me that they were they were absolutely on the limit for the entirety of that race. In fact, if you look at look clerk or. [08:10.400 -> 08:17.760] Alonzo who i think drove much more conservatively because they knew very well they weren't really chasing red bull for the wind or p2 at that point. [08:17.900 -> 08:21.900] You can see you can see the difference i think of everybody was pushing the. [08:21.940 -> 08:27.680] You you'd see you to see what you'reclerc's tires go and Alonso probably [08:27.680 -> 08:28.680] up there. [08:28.680 -> 08:29.680] But... [08:29.680 -> 08:34.860] So I just want to turn to Brad here as our resident race driver, who's a Nordschleife [08:34.860 -> 08:40.880] champion of all things and has driven in BTCC and a range of other sports cars and not too [08:40.880 -> 08:43.120] bad in a car either. [08:43.120 -> 08:45.200] Not all those series that you've raced in Brad are [08:45.200 -> 08:50.320] constant overtaking and swapping and I was trying to articulate the point to somebody earlier [08:50.320 -> 08:56.400] about how a battle can be exciting without any overtakes and I really feel like the broadcasts [08:56.400 -> 09:02.960] downplayed just the battle, the intensity of the battle between Perez and Verstappen today. [09:02.960 -> 09:05.080] Yeah we're definitely in agreement on this. [09:05.080 -> 09:12.160] I don't set about watching Grand Prix with the view that they have to be constant overtaking [09:12.160 -> 09:17.300] fests for me to enjoy them, but I do feel like there needs to be a realistic possibility [09:17.300 -> 09:21.920] that the order can change somewhere down the line in the race, and there needs to be a [09:21.920 -> 09:22.920] reason. [09:22.920 -> 09:28.080] I didn't really see that today. I know the two Red Bulls were pushing hard at the front and they were, [09:28.620 -> 09:33.540] they were pushing each other on to set faster and faster laps, but the gap [09:33.580 -> 09:37.220] kind of stayed the same and if anything got slightly bigger most of the time, [09:37.580 -> 09:39.860] to the point where it was over three seconds at one point. [09:40.040 -> 09:43.900] I never really saw a credible threat from Verstappen, particularly because [09:43.900 -> 09:46.400] we saw what happened in the sprint race the day before. [09:46.400 -> 09:52.040] And so I didn't have that same kind of no overtakes optimism because something will [09:52.040 -> 09:53.040] happen later. [09:53.040 -> 09:54.040] I just didn't see that happening today. [09:54.040 -> 09:55.040] Oh, I see what you're saying. [09:55.040 -> 09:59.520] But I think what I'm driving at is that there was a battle because the fact that they were [09:59.520 -> 10:04.560] going all out was because Verstappen would be going out of that, oh, I'm tyre saving, [10:04.560 -> 10:05.040] staying out of the [10:06.800 -> 10:11.440] zone where you're getting buffeting and dirty air, and whenever he pushed to try and get a [10:11.440 -> 10:16.640] faster lap in to close the gap, Perez was able to respond and that in itself is quite an interesting [10:16.640 -> 10:21.840] battle. And I think it's one that you can recognise if you do racing such as yourself, [10:21.840 -> 10:27.240] but really at any level of sim or kartinging, you recognize that always catching me a bit, [10:27.240 -> 10:28.700] I'll just try and get away. [10:28.700 -> 10:31.100] And even if it's not with hot tires, [10:31.100 -> 10:32.780] like they have here or tire wear, [10:32.780 -> 10:35.460] sometimes it's, I am going to have to drive up [10:35.460 -> 10:38.940] the limit of my skill and take more risks to get ahead. [10:38.940 -> 10:39.780] Ah, there's a bit of a gap, [10:39.780 -> 10:41.740] now I can settle down, that kind of thing. [10:41.740 -> 10:46.560] Yeah, I understand what you're looking at there. [10:46.560 -> 10:49.520] I just can't say I found that element particularly exciting today. [10:49.520 -> 10:54.200] I feel like if I was Sergio Perez, I would have thought that was an exciting fight today [10:54.200 -> 10:55.920] because I've got a nice result. [10:55.920 -> 11:00.400] It was fun because I was able to respond to the things, to the challenges that were set [11:00.400 -> 11:04.480] to me by my teammate pushing hard behind me. [11:04.480 -> 11:08.480] But as a spectator, I didn't find that particular element super thrilling. [11:08.500 -> 11:13.260] You've tried hard, though, to shed some light on something that you could [11:13.260 -> 11:14.920] point to that was excitement. [11:14.940 -> 11:16.420] So I admire that, Spanners. [11:16.920 -> 11:22.000] Well, you know, we see this in the MIST Apex sort of sim races and your F3 races [11:22.000 -> 11:25.200] and your Le Mans races where you can have teammates who are pinpoint [11:25.200 -> 11:30.640] on the same pace like Perez and Verstappen were pretty much this weekend. And in sim racing, [11:30.640 -> 11:35.120] you'll swap positions one lap, swap positions the next, swap again, and you have these types of [11:35.120 -> 11:40.800] battles. For some reason in F1, if you're around a similar pace to the driver in front in a similar [11:40.800 -> 11:45.600] car, or you're within two, three seconds, you don't get this position swapping [11:45.600 -> 11:47.400] and this excitement that we usually get. [11:47.400 -> 11:48.880] There's some sort of dirty air effect [11:48.880 -> 11:50.200] within the last two, three seconds. [11:50.200 -> 11:51.560] There's no question about it. [11:51.560 -> 11:52.400] Every fan knows about that, [11:52.400 -> 11:55.960] that that's been an issue with the sport for decades upon, [11:55.960 -> 11:58.080] I don't even know how many decades before that. [11:58.080 -> 12:01.200] But today Verstappen has sort of been in that window [12:01.200 -> 12:03.900] behind Perez where you can't really do much [12:03.900 -> 12:04.760] when you're on the same pace. [12:04.760 -> 12:05.180] He needs to be half a second quicker. If you get the typical Max Verstappen round, have been in that window behind Perez where you can't really do much when you're on the same pace. [12:05.180 -> 12:06.840] He needs to be half a second quicker. [12:06.840 -> 12:11.440] If you get the typical Max Verstappen round, he sweeps past, he wins the race by 10-15 [12:11.440 -> 12:12.440] seconds. [12:12.440 -> 12:17.320] Today it was an exciting battle in terms of the same way people enjoy watching swimming. [12:17.320 -> 12:20.040] And when they watch people go, oh, they're going to beat that line to beat the world [12:20.040 -> 12:21.040] record. [12:21.040 -> 12:22.040] Oh, is it? [12:22.040 -> 12:23.040] And it's like, how is that exciting? [12:23.040 -> 12:24.040] You know what I mean? [12:24.040 -> 12:26.080] And most people, I don't find that exciting at all, but that's what today's race was like. [12:26.080 -> 12:27.280] JUSTIN Okay. [12:27.280 -> 12:27.780] Matt. [12:28.320 -> 12:29.280] Oh, I enjoyed it. [12:29.280 -> 12:30.160] Did you enjoy it? [12:30.160 -> 12:31.760] MATT Yeah, I did. [12:31.760 -> 12:36.880] I enjoyed it for a lot of different reasons, even though I can concur with the overall [12:36.880 -> 12:37.520] sentiment. [12:37.520 -> 12:42.720] The race could have been so, so much better if they just brought out the safety car at [12:42.720 -> 12:44.320] a slightly different time. [12:44.320 -> 12:44.820] LIAM Yeah. [12:44.820 -> 12:45.440] Yeah. MATT You know, like, like two laps from the end car at a slightly different time. Yeah. Yeah. [12:49.360 -> 12:54.480] You know, like, like two laps from the end when Ocon was still in the points. I'm just putting it out there. No, it really, we sort of retreated once again to a spectacle, [12:54.480 -> 12:59.200] a potential spectacle, because we would have had Perez, who I think was better over the course of [12:59.200 -> 13:07.200] the Grand Prix, chasing Verstappen on same tires and probably one lap apart in strategy, absolutely flattened [13:07.200 -> 13:08.960] by the safety car. [13:08.960 -> 13:13.520] Hamilton lost out, he could have potentially been a player if he'd been up there when they [13:13.520 -> 13:14.520] pitted. [13:14.520 -> 13:20.600] So there was a lot of strategy wreckage in what, because the temperatures didn't stay [13:20.600 -> 13:26.240] hot like they were in the sprint race, rapidly turned into a one-stop race, [13:26.240 -> 13:28.080] which is never the most exciting thing. [13:28.080 -> 13:34.180] I'm willing to accept that some of my enjoyment of this was slightly improved by being a Perez [13:34.180 -> 13:38.380] fan and him winning the race and whether he could hold on. [13:38.380 -> 13:43.420] So as a reasonably long-suffering Perez fan, it was actually more fun being a Perez fan [13:43.420 -> 13:45.200] in the midfield when he was [13:45.200 -> 13:48.760] beating up on bums in the midfield and taking the odd podium and the odd win [13:48.760 -> 13:53.600] since going to Red Bull. It's been a little bit harder to be a Perez fan. So you [13:53.600 -> 13:58.720] assume almost in that situation today that Verstappen is going to close the [13:58.720 -> 14:02.640] gap. He's either going to be asked to let go or Verstappen's going to make a [14:02.640 -> 14:05.720] pass. And Verstappen has generally, is much [14:05.720 -> 14:09.920] better at, you know, taking advantage of these situations and cutting through a field. So [14:09.920 -> 14:14.200] once he's passed, you go, well, that's pretty much over. But today, because of the sprint [14:14.200 -> 14:18.960] weekend, how he was doing in practice and qualifying and in the sprint race, you really [14:18.960 -> 14:25.320] got a sense of, no, he's got a bit of an advantage here. And I tell you what, Matt, I was disappointed in the end [14:25.320 -> 14:27.360] that the safety car came when it did, [14:27.360 -> 14:30.400] because I was watching Sergio Perez [14:30.400 -> 14:34.960] sit there at 1.2, 1.3 seconds, close the gap to 0.7, [14:34.960 -> 14:36.720] Verstappen's crying out [14:36.720 -> 14:38.480] because he's struggling with his rears. [14:38.480 -> 14:41.720] Perez doesn't look like he's in any tire danger at all. [14:41.720 -> 14:43.960] Verstappen's forced to pit. [14:43.960 -> 14:46.400] Now we're looking at a Paris big overcut on the [14:46.400 -> 14:48.400] mediums, and then the safety car comes up. [14:49.120 -> 14:55.440] Or any kind of an overcut, really. I mean, he was, as you said, he sort of laid back a little [14:55.440 -> 15:01.040] bit in that opening stage where usually the person in the lead will push to try and get [15:01.040 -> 15:05.920] as far away from to get their pit window as far forward as possible from the midfield. [15:06.480 -> 15:12.560] And Max rectus tires a bit, but, but again, like later he struggled on the hards too. [15:12.560 -> 15:18.480] His car setup was really good for qualifying. But I think it was, I think they missed, [15:18.480 -> 15:25.200] they missed the sweet spot for him a little bit in the race and Perez absolutely didn't. Rod. [15:30.240 -> 15:34.320] I agree with you Spanners that the safety car, when it came out, I was disappointed from the perspective of someone who was rooting for Perez at that point because [15:34.320 -> 15:37.200] I was watching thinking, well, he's about to get him anyway. [15:37.200 -> 15:42.400] So we're now going to be in a situation where if Perez goes on to win because of, [15:42.400 -> 15:47.680] and he gets ahead right now because of a safety car, people are just going to say he got lucky with the safety car, which [15:47.680 -> 15:48.840] is exactly what panned out. [15:48.880 -> 15:52.720] Even the team themselves seem disappointed or Horner always seems [15:52.720 -> 15:56.960] disappointed if the particular driver he wants to win doesn't win. [15:57.720 -> 16:01.400] They're obviously very much behind Max, but it's, you know, [16:01.440 -> 16:02.560] they've still got a one-two. [16:02.560 -> 16:05.160] It's exactly the same result ultimately for the team. And they were still trying to pacify saying, oh yeah, you know, they've still got a 1-2. It's exactly the same result, ultimately, for the team. [16:05.520 -> 16:08.160] And they were still trying to pacify, saying, oh, yeah, you [16:08.160 -> 16:09.960] got unlucky with the safety car there, Max. [16:09.960 -> 16:14.000] But from my eyes, I thought he was about to get passed just [16:14.000 -> 16:16.520] before he pitted, and there would have been an overcut anyway, [16:16.520 -> 16:19.040] even if he hadn't passed him in that moment. [16:19.040 -> 16:20.720] But was he going to get him? [16:20.720 -> 16:21.800] That's my question. [16:21.800 -> 16:25.440] Like, this is the same way we watched Lewis Hamilton [16:25.440 -> 16:31.400] and Valtteri Bottas battle for years. I can't even remember a single situation where Bottas [16:31.400 -> 16:37.280] or Perez overtook the other number one driver on the team on track, legit, on the same strategy. [16:37.280 -> 16:42.440] To me, I don't see it happening. The hard compound lasted quite a while. A one, two [16:42.440 -> 16:49.120] lap difference on the compound maybe made a little difference, don't get me wrong, but those two were on target with each other the [16:49.120 -> 16:52.160] whole race, and regardless of when they pit, I don't think it made a difference. [16:52.160 -> 16:56.600] Jono, but you're assuming here that they both pit on the same-ish, similar laps, and then [16:56.600 -> 17:01.720] Perez is behind on the hard tyre, does Perez catch and pass on that? That's an interesting [17:01.720 -> 17:09.720] question, but I think that situation only comes about because of the safety car anyway, Brad. And I think Perez had a tyre advantage at that [17:09.720 -> 17:11.320] point, so it wouldn't have been even. [17:11.320 -> 17:16.960] Yeah, so my perspective here is that Max was pitting, so for sure Max was going to pit [17:16.960 -> 17:23.040] and come out on cold tyres. And we saw all weekend in Formula 1 and in Formula 2 that [17:23.040 -> 17:26.080] coming out of the pits on cold tyres, you lost a bunch of time [17:26.080 -> 17:30.480] on your out lap. So even if Perez had literally just pitted on the following lap, he would have [17:30.480 -> 17:36.960] taken track position from Max. Just unless the tyres Perez was running on on his in lap were [17:36.960 -> 17:40.800] so shot that he was losing a bunch of time and that was not the situation. It looked like he [17:40.800 -> 17:45.600] was completely fine. I'm pretty sure the overcut was really powerful here. [17:45.600 -> 17:52.640] Yeah, I think it would have been. And again, I will point to the fact that Perez was just [17:52.640 -> 17:58.720] quicker. Like the last 10 laps or so, Max was back on it, but Perez was... I mean, the [17:58.720 -> 18:07.600] gap went from 1.3, 1.4 out to almost three seconds at one point. So yeah, I think there is margin there for Perez to [18:07.600 -> 18:12.640] have been able to have passed Max. He was generally, I think, better in sector two, [18:12.640 -> 18:17.520] getting a better exit onto the straight. But what we're not talking about that I also think is kind [18:17.520 -> 18:24.320] of interesting is, am I wrong or was that a pretty big mistake with Nick DeVries pointed at a wall [18:24.400 -> 18:24.900] Or was that a pretty big mistake with Nick DeVries pointed at a wall? Yeah. [18:25.360 -> 18:28.880] For Red Bull to bring Verstappen in that particular lap. [18:28.880 -> 18:33.840] I mean, why would you do that unless you thought Perez was going to get him the next lap? [18:33.840 -> 18:39.760] So I'm really, this is a funny situation because obviously like you could put your tin hat on, [18:39.760 -> 18:42.960] and I think your tin foil hat would be much better suited. [18:42.960 -> 18:45.280] Had there been an immediate safety car, [18:45.280 -> 18:50.160] he'd gone into the wall, had there been a safety car called there, then that was perfect, perfect [18:50.160 -> 18:55.920] timing for Verstappen to then come in, get a cheap stop, get back out ahead, and this whole [18:56.960 -> 19:03.360] difference in tyres gets reset, because obviously Perez also has to come in and have a double stack. [19:03.360 -> 19:05.500] So that would have been perfection. [19:05.500 -> 19:11.640] But what thwarted that was that there was a reasonably long yellow flag period and then [19:11.640 -> 19:14.720] a safety car period, which seems to happen quite a lot, Brad. [19:14.720 -> 19:20.520] And so it's a bizarre decision from the outside because you think these things generally go [19:20.520 -> 19:21.600] like that. [19:21.600 -> 19:29.800] Double waved yellow, they see what's going on, then full safety car. The only way Red Bull coming in makes sense is if they assumed it was going to go [19:29.800 -> 19:31.200] straight to safety car. [19:31.200 -> 19:37.420] Okay, I understand your point there. So I just wanted to explain that Horner mentioned [19:37.420 -> 19:50.120] post-race that their thought process was that it wouldn't turn into a safety car because they thought De Vries had just not gone into the wall and was going to reverse and continue. [19:50.120 -> 19:54.720] And the reason they thought that was because the damage De Vries sustained was from the [19:54.720 -> 19:55.720] left-hand wall. [19:55.720 -> 20:00.440] He'd broken his steering, but he then managed to stop the car and not have a big head-on [20:00.440 -> 20:01.440] impact. [20:01.440 -> 20:02.440] So they misread the situation. [20:02.440 -> 20:04.960] They didn't notice that his front wheels were askew. [20:04.960 -> 20:08.800] They just saw there's a car stopped before the wall. It hasn't gone into the wall ahead of [20:08.800 -> 20:13.680] it. So the race is going to continue. What they misjudged was that he'd already done the damage [20:13.680 -> 20:17.360] before that, and therefore he couldn't maneuver, and it was then going to turn into a safety car. [20:17.360 -> 20:20.800] That's actually really unlucky, because if you look at the onboard, like he hits the wall and [20:20.800 -> 20:28.160] the car is very... the wheel is clearly askew, It's clearly off. But by the time he gets to the wall, it settles in a perfectly normal position. [20:28.280 -> 20:31.400] So if you look at it static, you go, oh yeah, he's fine. [20:31.600 -> 20:34.540] Um, so yeah, very unlucky, very unlucky from Red Bull really. [20:34.540 -> 20:37.800] But had, had that gone straight to safety cart and he'd have [20:37.800 -> 20:39.240] benefited massively from it. [20:39.640 -> 20:40.940] It looks dodgy. [20:40.940 -> 20:41.840] It looks dodgy again. [20:41.960 -> 20:45.680] But, uh, but that just shows you that coincidences do happen. [20:45.680 -> 20:46.680] Jono then, Matt. [20:46.680 -> 20:50.040] I was just going to add that the fact that I'm glad that DeVries didn't enter the pits, [20:50.040 -> 20:53.040] because AlphaTauri probably would have sent him out, thinking the car was going to work [20:53.040 -> 20:54.720] again as we saw in the sprint. [20:54.720 -> 20:55.720] Oh my gosh. [20:55.720 -> 20:56.720] Yeah, I've forgotten about that. [20:56.720 -> 21:02.480] Yuki Tsunoda limping back to the pits with a very, very wrecked car, and then they put [21:02.480 -> 21:03.480] a wonky- Shopping trolley. [21:03.480 -> 21:05.600] Wonky rear wheel on, and they sent him back out [21:05.600 -> 21:11.280] again. And then he just wouldn't, didn't pull over. He just kept going round. So I'm convinced [21:11.280 -> 21:16.080] that it, it must've been straight when they put the wheel on, because it was very bent when he [21:16.080 -> 21:20.320] left the pits and anyone could see that the wheel wasn't straight. The suspension was broken or a [21:20.320 -> 21:29.680] toe link or whatever, but the chief mechanic, and I believe it was a chief mechanic, certainly someone senior, had a good look at the right rear on Sonoda. He gave it a thumbs up. [21:30.800 -> 21:34.960] I say he gave it a good look. He gave it a little look, didn't he? They put the wheel on, [21:34.960 -> 21:39.440] Sonoda left the pitch. I don't think ever saw the moment where it suddenly broke, [21:39.440 -> 21:45.640] but these things happen quite frequently. Damage is done, you then you crawl back to the pit slowly [21:45.640 -> 21:50.200] or whatever, you then put a fresh tire on, put a little bit of load into it, you know, [21:50.200 -> 21:54.360] do a burnout leaving the pit box and the thing then finally fails. And I'm sure it was something [21:54.360 -> 21:57.840] like that where it was weakened and it must have just broken going down the pit. And we [21:57.840 -> 22:00.080] wouldn't have released him if it was actually wonky. [22:00.080 -> 22:07.360] What's the role of the person that you just said there? Chief mechanic? Chief mechanic. I think that's how it was described on the broadcast. [22:07.360 -> 22:11.360] So we, as armchair chief mechanics, I suppose it's easy for us to judge, [22:11.360 -> 22:15.440] but it could have happened to have stopped in what looked like a safe position. But it looked [22:15.440 -> 22:21.120] like when he was crawling around, you would not have bet on him being able to continue there. Matt? [22:21.120 -> 22:48.880] Yeah, I think I saw Sam Bird drive a car like that once in a Formula E race and it was pretty exciting across the line. It was just sideways down the straight. But I'm still curious because the placement of DeVries and Perez and Verstappen, when the incident happened, there was a fair amount of time before Max got to the pit lane. And you would you you would think that somebody was, was paying, you would like [22:48.880 -> 22:53.540] to think, and probably from now forward, there will be somebody at Red Bull paying [22:53.580 -> 22:59.020] a little closer attention to the TV feed in situations like this, but it was a [22:59.020 -> 23:03.780] massive Perez benefit, even though it was a massive loss, I think, in terms [23:03.780 -> 23:05.460] of the excitement of the race. [23:05.460 -> 23:08.480] Yeah, there was a really good battle shaping up there and the timing of that safety car [23:08.480 -> 23:11.060] did definitely rob us of that. [23:11.060 -> 23:16.020] And I think Perez will be feeling, obviously, you take that all day long, you take that [23:16.020 -> 23:18.700] safety car switch, you go and celebrate on the podium, that's fine. [23:18.700 -> 23:24.580] I think deep down he might be a bit disappointed that he didn't get a chance to do that overcut, [23:24.580 -> 23:25.680] to make a pass happen. [23:25.680 -> 23:32.880] However, if you can ever avoid having to pass Max Verstappen, I think you take that. He's very, [23:32.880 -> 23:38.400] very hard to overtake, especially in the same car, even with a tyre delta. I think, like Jono says, [23:38.400 -> 23:46.800] there is no guarantee that Perez would have been able to make that pass. But had he done that in that way, then this win would be worth 10 times [23:47.160 -> 23:51.120] what happened today, because you can just, you can hand wave it a little bit [23:51.120 -> 23:53.760] and say, OK, that was down to the safety car. [23:53.760 -> 23:57.040] But, you know, Perez has won a couple of races this season. [23:57.080 -> 23:58.280] He's had some bad luck. [23:58.280 -> 24:01.440] He's only six points behind Verstappen. [24:01.760 -> 24:06.720] I think you're hard pushed, Matt, to say that Perez hasn't at least had his [24:06.720 -> 24:12.000] best Red Bull start of the season so far. And to me, there's a fire in his belly and there is no [24:12.000 -> 24:18.480] longer any, oh, I'm just here to support the team. I'm doing my best. They are, he is talking on the [24:18.480 -> 24:22.960] radio to his pit engineer like he's a one-man team. We can win this. We need to avoid what [24:22.960 -> 24:28.080] happened in Australia, but great job, everyone Like, still, Australia is haunting him because he feels like [24:28.640 -> 24:33.200] he lost out in Melbourne, and he should be the championship leader. Game on! Vamos, Checkle! [24:34.160 -> 24:41.600] Indeed. And you will note that Red Bull didn't make no effort whatsoever to swap round the two [24:41.600 -> 24:47.000] positions, even though clearly Verstappen lost out with the safety [24:47.000 -> 24:48.000] car. [24:48.000 -> 24:49.320] And why would you swap positions? [24:49.320 -> 24:53.560] And that's a great factor that I was actually thinking about during the race, when so many [24:53.560 -> 24:59.240] people and pundits were suggesting, what if they swap him around and let Max win the race? [24:59.240 -> 25:02.760] And if I'm Christian Horner, I go, you know what, I'll let Perez have his glory now, because [25:02.760 -> 25:04.080] we don't need to swap him. [25:04.080 -> 25:07.920] In the long run, who's going to average out to be the better driver to score the best [25:07.920 -> 25:08.920] results? [25:08.920 -> 25:09.920] Let Perez have his fun. [25:09.920 -> 25:11.180] Don't upset your second driver. [25:11.180 -> 25:14.200] Let him win and eventually Verstappen will come through and win this title. [25:14.200 -> 25:19.800] Well, you're upsetting me by how you just said that. [25:19.800 -> 25:23.320] The obvious response is Rosberg, Hamilton, Barcelona. [25:23.320 -> 25:24.320] It can happen. [25:24.320 -> 25:27.120] Anyone can have a 2016 Rosberg moment. [25:27.120 -> 25:30.640] Okay, so that was the one battle Verstappen had. [25:31.120 -> 25:32.200] Of course, he did have another one. [25:39.400 -> 25:42.360] Brad Philpott, before we get into Russell versus Verstappen, [25:42.360 -> 25:45.480] tempt people to come and play pretend racing cars with us. [25:45.480 -> 25:50.320] Okay, this is my advert shot. Okay, so if anyone listening is an iRacer, so you've got [25:50.320 -> 25:57.320] a sim and you drive on iRacing, Mist Apex is hosting the best Le Mans style... Oh, hang [25:57.320 -> 26:00.880] on. I don't know whether I'm actually allowed to say... No, I can. 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So come and join us. We've got places available in all of the categories at the moment, [27:07.440 -> 27:10.400] although I'd say two-thirds of the grid are sold out, [27:10.400 -> 27:12.400] and you've got four weeks until race day. [27:12.400 -> 27:14.320] And we should say it's £15 per team. [27:14.320 -> 27:16.960] And if you're not in a team, just drop us a line. [27:16.960 -> 27:18.800] So spanners at misstapex.net. [27:18.800 -> 27:22.240] And we are making up teams from individuals that are joining as well. [27:22.240 -> 27:24.880] So you can join if you're brilliant or not great. [27:24.880 -> 27:26.280] Spanners at misstapex.net. [27:26.280 -> 27:29.440] And the date was the 27th of May. [27:29.440 -> 27:30.920] 27th and 28th of May, [27:30.920 -> 27:32.720] because obviously we're going around the clock. [27:32.720 -> 27:35.320] So it starts at about midday UK time. [27:35.320 -> 27:36.560] So all times are UK. [27:36.560 -> 27:37.920] So if you aren't in the UK, [27:37.920 -> 27:40.480] if you're an Australian or if you're an American, [27:40.480 -> 27:42.320] that's great because it's a 24 hour race. [27:42.320 -> 27:43.920] So you can slot into one of the stints [27:43.920 -> 27:47.320] that suits your time zone. All right, for more information, Spanners at [27:47.320 -> 27:57.000] missdapex.net. Okay, so one of the most fascinating elements from this weekend [27:57.000 -> 28:02.800] was a fairly innocuous bit of contact and racing between George Russell and [28:02.800 -> 28:06.040] Max Verstappen in the sprint race on the [28:06.040 -> 28:11.700] Saturday, which actually, probably in retrospect, turned out to be the highlight of the weekend. [28:11.700 -> 28:16.360] And Max Verstappen was challenged by George Russell down to the inside of Turn 1, and [28:16.360 -> 28:21.680] then I think Turn 2 and Turn 3 as well. Actually, really good racing, as good racing as I think [28:21.680 -> 28:26.000] you can get on a tight street circuit like that, they did make [28:26.000 -> 28:32.800] a bit of contact and the front of George Russell's car punched a hole into Max Verstappen's sidewall. [28:32.800 -> 28:37.160] And I don't know how many of you listened to the team radio, but the team radio was [28:37.160 -> 28:44.420] absolutely dominated on the F1 Live timing app by Max Verstappen being incredibly unhappy [28:44.420 -> 28:47.120] with that contact, not understanding why it [28:47.120 -> 28:51.280] wasn't being investigated, why it hadn't been reported, and why George Russell had not been [28:51.280 -> 28:57.920] asked to take that, to give that place back. And his team initially kind of start trying to start [28:57.920 -> 29:03.520] calming him down, but then eventually I think the rage spread through Red Bull, and Red Bull, [29:03.520 -> 29:05.920] Max Verstappenen and his race engineer were [29:05.920 -> 29:14.400] very, very unhappy with George Russell to the point that it didn't let go. Even after Max Verstappen [29:14.400 -> 29:19.360] passed Russell, later on after the safety car, his engineer came on and said, oh look, you managed to [29:19.360 -> 29:28.000] do it without contact. And then, of course, now famously, after the sprint race, Max Verstappen went up to George Russell and he said, [29:28.000 -> 29:33.000] What are you doing, mate? And then as he walked off, he said, You're a turnip and I don't like you, [29:33.000 -> 29:38.000] and I will also hit you with my race car the next time I get a chance. [29:38.000 -> 29:45.840] A very, very scrappy and emotional performance and set of outbursts from Max Verstappen, Brad. [29:45.840 -> 29:48.800] I think, should we start with the actual incidents themselves? [29:48.800 -> 29:54.760] And I think what I'd like to establish is, is Max Verstappen, was Max Verstappen right [29:54.760 -> 29:57.640] to feel so aggrieved at George Russell? [29:57.640 -> 30:02.520] Because he was, he sort of had hit the nuclear option, and that's as agitated as we've seen [30:02.520 -> 30:03.520] him. [30:03.520 -> 30:07.600] Yeah, so I'm going to try and be careful to not just talk about this for two hours [30:07.600 -> 30:09.960] because I've been reading the rules again. [30:09.960 -> 30:14.920] Last year I made a video on what the specifics of the racing rules in Formula 1 were, how [30:14.920 -> 30:18.960] they were clarified last season, and I've tried to apply all these things to what we [30:18.960 -> 30:20.440] saw in the sprint race. [30:20.440 -> 30:21.640] Yeah, but fair enough. [30:21.640 -> 30:23.720] But we do have to assign blame. [30:23.720 -> 30:26.320] So I hope there's some blame coming because we'll make this our first segment of... [30:26.880 -> 30:28.160] Whose fault is it? [30:32.480 -> 30:36.640] Sorry, Brad, we worked very hard on those bumpers, so I had to make sure we get them in. [30:36.640 -> 30:40.960] That's fine. I think we can assign blame because, from my view, although the driving [30:42.000 -> 30:45.880] guidelines are guidelines, they're not rules, as F1 Legal on Twitter [30:45.880 -> 30:49.080] pointed out to me, they're all we've got to go with. [30:49.080 -> 30:54.760] Guidelines are effectively used as rules because they are used to then set precedence, and [30:54.760 -> 30:59.680] then we can look at what happened in the past and then judge incidents based on that and [30:59.680 -> 31:01.680] kind of point towards those guidelines. [31:01.680 -> 31:06.560] So anyway, out of the three side-by-side moments that these two drivers had, I [31:06.560 -> 31:10.640] think pretty much the first corner and I guess the third corner, or the third time [31:10.640 -> 31:14.520] they were side-by-side, I don't think anyone has any particular issue with. [31:14.760 -> 31:15.880] There was no contact made. [31:15.920 -> 31:19.480] I think the thing that Verstappen took issue with and really set him off the [31:19.480 -> 31:24.000] deep end was the fact that there was contact somewhere around the apex or just [31:24.000 -> 31:27.280] after the apex the second time they went side by side. [31:27.280 -> 31:29.280] So I think that's really the incident we need to focus on. [31:29.280 -> 31:32.480] The other two, they made it through and it was fine. [31:32.480 -> 31:37.480] Well, the third one, they could have had contact, but Verstappen kind of moved out of the way. [31:37.480 -> 31:40.280] I think there was space for him, but he basically hit the wall by himself. [31:40.280 -> 31:42.680] But you're right, the second one is what caused the puncture. [31:42.680 -> 31:45.120] So yeah, that's the one that we should focus on. [31:51.680 -> 31:52.320] Yeah, so let's look at what the rules actually say in this regard, or what the guidelines say. And although they are extremely confusing, [31:59.960 -> 32:00.280] badly written, and either deliberately written to allow the stewards to basically decide what they want, or just just badly done, [32:01.240 -> 32:04.240] incompetently, effectively what they say is, if you're overtaking on the inside, [32:04.240 -> 32:05.200] you need to have a significant portion of your car alongside the if you're overtaking on the inside, you need to have [32:05.200 -> 32:09.520] a significant portion of your car alongside the car you're overtaking. And they define significant [32:09.520 -> 32:14.480] portion as your front wheels are alongside their rear wheels. So we can probably agree that Russell [32:14.480 -> 32:20.240] was more than fulfilling that criteria. The next thing you have to fulfill for it to be a legal [32:20.240 -> 32:25.360] overtake or attempt to overtake is you have to retain control of your car at all times [32:25.360 -> 32:28.560] and the move has to be completed in a safe manner. [32:28.560 -> 32:32.560] And the final thing is that you must enable the car. [32:32.560 -> 32:37.240] It doesn't define the car as your car or their car, which makes it tricky to read this, but [32:37.240 -> 32:43.400] you have to enable the car to remain within the racing surface or to remain on track. [32:43.400 -> 32:45.280] And I think we can assume that by the use of the word [32:45.280 -> 32:50.080] enable, you're talking about the other car because you wouldn't enable your own car to stay on, [32:51.040 -> 32:56.960] but you enable someone else. So basically, Russell has to be slightly alongside, he has to retain [32:56.960 -> 33:02.000] control or be safe during the manoeuvre, and he has to not drive the other person fully off the [33:02.000 -> 33:07.680] edge of the track at the end. Okay, well well let's take a pause in your conversation there and see what the panel's reaction is, [33:07.680 -> 33:10.880] because some of that was surprising to me. Jonno, and then Matt. [33:10.880 -> 33:16.760] Yeah, so first of all, guidelines are guidelines. What you do need to promote and what you do [33:16.760 -> 33:20.440] need to think is the emotional side of this is that, look, number one, it's exciting for [33:20.440 -> 33:25.720] fans. You also want to promote clean racing, but you also don't want to detract from [33:25.720 -> 33:31.520] the fact that slight bit of a kiss of contact is also brilliant for the spectacle of the sport. The [33:31.520 -> 33:35.960] way it was policed was perfect, you know, and I look, I get Verstappen had some terminal damage, [33:36.080 -> 33:41.080] but in that situation, Russell assumes the same amount of risk. There's no question, you run that [33:41.080 -> 33:45.840] same incident 10 times over, maybe Russell has a little DeVries moment and his suspension goes whack. [33:45.840 -> 33:49.680] So there's a situation in this where I go, you know what, whose fault is it? [33:50.320 -> 33:51.120] I'm- [33:51.680 -> 33:52.080] Don't do it. [33:52.080 -> 33:57.120] I know you want people to pick somebody, but to me, it's like, Russell is the one who takes the most risk. [33:57.120 -> 33:57.360] Okay. [33:57.360 -> 34:00.480] He is the one who's, if it's anyone's fault, it's his. [34:00.800 -> 34:06.640] But to me, that's, you can't, we can't over-police, you know, something like this, [34:06.640 -> 34:08.560] and I'm glad the FIA left it alone. [34:08.560 -> 34:09.280] Wow. [34:09.280 -> 34:15.280] Well, what I really love about this is that if we looked at the rules as Brad describes them, [34:15.280 -> 34:21.360] and if we take those as the guidelines stewards use in evaluating an incident where there's [34:21.360 -> 34:25.680] contact, it's clear, as Brad says, that Russell was [34:25.680 -> 34:28.760] entitled to room on the way into the corner. [34:28.760 -> 34:33.680] It's equally clear that on the way out of the corner, Max was entitled to room. [34:33.680 -> 34:40.240] But what's not clear at all is how to assign blame in that very middle of the corner where [34:40.240 -> 34:47.120] the contact actually happened, and is he highly, possibly too highly rated FIA driver? [34:47.120 -> 34:49.440] I'm real curious to get Brad's opinion on this. [34:49.440 -> 34:53.360] Yeah, man, and you're right, it was in the middle. But if I want to defend Verstappen, [34:53.360 -> 34:58.160] Brad, the first thing I will do in Verstappen's defense that it's Russell's fault is Verstappen [34:58.160 -> 35:10.360] did leave him room at the apex and did head towards a reasonable exit. Okay, so I counter with, that's nice, cool story, but that's irrelevant. It's not part [35:10.360 -> 35:15.600] of the guidelines. So as Matt suggested, these guidelines don't mention anything about what [35:15.600 -> 35:19.460] has to happen in the middle of the corner, and they don't mention anything about Max [35:19.460 -> 35:30.380] being allowed, or I say Max in this situation, the car on the outside being allowed any special room mid-corner, all that it talks about is what the overtaking driver has to do. [35:30.380 -> 35:35.980] It doesn't say that the car that is being overtaken, if they leave you room on the apex, [35:35.980 -> 35:39.780] then they have a right not to have their space encroached upon. [35:39.780 -> 35:44.060] So Verstappen pointing to that, it's just irrelevant, essentially. [35:44.060 -> 35:47.080] Russell just has to leave Verstappen room on the exit. [35:47.080 -> 35:51.040] That's all he has to do, provided he's not completely out of control. [35:51.040 -> 35:53.440] And I know Verstappen would point to the slight lockup [35:53.440 -> 35:57.120] that Russell had and say, that proves he's out of control. [35:57.120 -> 36:00.000] That isn't defined clearly in the guidelines, [36:00.000 -> 36:01.800] so I guess the stewards took a view on that. [36:01.800 -> 36:05.720] And one thing which is clear, and I'll end on this, [36:05.720 -> 36:07.880] in all of these guidelines, whether we're [36:07.880 -> 36:11.520] talking about the car attacking or the car defending, [36:11.520 -> 36:14.080] it puts a very clear emphasis on the fact [36:14.080 -> 36:16.440] that being on the outside is the low ground. [36:16.440 -> 36:18.120] So there's a higher standard you have [36:18.120 -> 36:20.360] to achieve in order to be afforded room [36:20.360 -> 36:21.960] if you're going around the outside. [36:21.960 -> 36:25.440] Now, it particularly talks about overtaking around the outside. [36:25.440 -> 36:26.960] It doesn't talk about defending on the outside. [36:26.960 -> 36:32.560] But since it doesn't talk about defending at all, we have to assume that there's still [36:32.560 -> 36:37.560] a greater risk assigned to the person who is hanging on around the outside, and the [36:37.560 -> 36:39.840] high ground is deemed to be the person on the inside. [36:39.840 -> 36:43.960] That's why you only have to have your front wheels alongside their rear wheels if you're [36:43.960 -> 36:48.680] overtaking on the inside, but you have to be ahead of the car if you're trying to go around the outside. [36:48.680 -> 36:52.360] That's the way they view it. So I just don't think Verstappen has a leg to stand on in [36:52.360 -> 36:54.640] this situation. I don't think Russell did anything wrong. [36:54.640 -> 36:58.040] I'll try and count you in a second, but Jonno, get in there. [36:58.040 -> 37:01.560] What I was going to add was quickly, the way that Brad was explaining that, and I don't [37:01.560 -> 37:08.000] know if it was caught on camera, the way that Trumpets and Spanners both just sip their cup of coffees or whatever you actually, sort of substance [37:08.000 -> 37:09.000] you were drinking during that. [37:09.000 -> 37:11.360] I'm ready for an argument here. [37:11.360 -> 37:15.560] Look, my favourite part, just one thing I want to add before you two go into it, is [37:15.560 -> 37:20.400] my favourite meme of the whole situation was somebody photoshopping George's arms into [37:20.400 -> 37:21.400] Max's damage. [37:21.400 -> 37:24.280] You know, that little fly just separating the damage. [37:24.280 -> 37:28.080] I mean, that was quality whoever made that up that was circulating around the internet. [37:28.080 -> 37:30.160] Okay, go on Brad. [37:30.160 -> 37:37.840] Can I just also add, I know I said I was finished, but Max pointing to the fact his car got damaged [37:37.840 -> 37:42.840] doesn't in any way speak to who was at fault for that damage. He was pointing at that like, [37:42.840 -> 37:45.680] there we go, that's proof that I was wronged, [37:45.680 -> 37:50.160] but no, I mean, I'm not saying this was the case, but equally, if you turn in on someone, [37:50.160 -> 37:54.960] you get damage and that's your fault. I'm not saying he did necessarily turn in on Russell, [37:54.960 -> 37:59.600] he just, he squeezed enough that there was a risk of contact and contact happened, that's it. [37:59.600 -> 38:04.080] And Verstappen defending will squeeze. If he's on the outside, he absolutely will squeeze, [38:04.080 -> 38:07.800] generally on entry, he doesn't mind that at all, and that can be done brilliantly, and [38:07.800 -> 38:13.240] Hamilton did that in the main race against Alonso to make Alonso just nope out of a move [38:13.240 -> 38:18.760] into Turn 2. But it is a trait that Verstappen will squeeze into the apex as well, and not [38:18.760 -> 38:23.400] necessarily because you would think if you were both trying to just survive, you know, [38:23.400 -> 38:26.120] you would both go out all the way to the exit. [38:26.120 -> 38:27.460] You don't have to do that. [38:27.460 -> 38:31.880] Just like at Silverstone in 2021, I don't think Verstappen was obliged to go all the [38:31.880 -> 38:36.540] way to the left, but he could have done to make contact less likely. [38:36.540 -> 38:42.600] The line Verstappen took does invite some contact because once he takes that line, George [38:42.600 -> 38:44.200] Russell can't do anything else. [38:44.200 -> 38:48.320] He's already committed to where he is but isn't that George Russell's kind [38:48.320 -> 38:52.480] of problem because Verstappen, if he leaves you at the apex he's also not [38:52.480 -> 38:57.400] obliged to just go all the way to the wall either. Well this is why as a driver [38:57.400 -> 39:01.360] as a racing driver when you're in an attack-defend situation you make a [39:01.360 -> 39:05.840] decision of am I going to defend to the inside Am I going to try and hang around the outside? [39:05.840 -> 39:10.640] Like that's up to you what you decide in those situations. [39:10.640 -> 39:15.040] And if Max has put himself in a position where he's the one on the outside, [39:15.680 -> 39:18.560] then you have to assume the risk that goes with that. [39:18.560 -> 39:23.520] You can't just say, as he was saying, someone's dive-bombed me when they were there the whole [39:23.520 -> 39:23.840] time. [39:23.840 -> 39:27.480] You know, Russell was there or thereabouts all the way through the [39:27.480 -> 39:29.120] breaking phase and up to the apex. [39:29.120 -> 39:30.440] So he didn't just dive-bomb him. [39:30.440 -> 39:33.280] That's a complete mischaracterization of the situation. [39:33.640 -> 39:40.120] So I just, I can't see, unless you're arguing for special rules when people [39:40.120 -> 39:43.760] are specifically racing Max, that we wouldn't apply to any other situation. [39:43.800 -> 39:49.360] And I think that is what he is asking for, if I'm honest, then I can't see how it's [39:49.360 -> 39:52.800] defensible that Russell was in the wrong. [39:53.440 -> 39:59.840] Yeah, look, along with that is when the team was complaining about the sort of risk factor to it, [40:00.480 -> 40:05.400] from a sporting sense and for people who look at this situation, I know where Max is having a sort of, [40:05.400 -> 40:06.660] I don't want to say tantrum about it, [40:06.660 -> 40:08.420] but where he was annoyed is because, look, [40:08.420 -> 40:11.360] who's assuming more, who's got less to risk here? [40:11.360 -> 40:12.860] It is George Russell. [40:12.860 -> 40:15.180] George can take that risk and that's why Max is [40:15.180 -> 40:17.560] annoyed because he's in a situation where he goes, [40:17.560 -> 40:20.060] it doesn't matter what I do in this situation, [40:20.060 -> 40:21.280] there's a wall to my outside, [40:21.280 -> 40:24.320] there's a driver who's essentially acts like a wall on the inside. [40:24.320 -> 40:25.200] I can't do anything. I understand Max's issue because he's an athlete to my outside, there's a driver who's essentially acts like a wall on the inside. I can't do anything. [40:25.200 -> 40:28.760] So I understand Max's issue because he's an athlete and he's [40:28.780 -> 40:31.340] from a sporting perspective doesn't want to risk a [40:31.340 -> 40:33.720] championship, which George at the moment is not fighting for [40:33.720 -> 40:34.560] no offense to George. [40:35.160 -> 40:38.560] Max is simply annoyed because it was his own damn fault. And he [40:38.560 -> 40:43.960] knows it. I'm sorry. Now I'm applying. I'm not applying the [40:43.960 -> 40:45.920] Bradley Philpot lane system here. I'm sorry, now I'm applying, I'm not applying the Bradley Philpot Lane system here, I'm [40:45.920 -> 40:51.440] not applying any written rule whatsoever, but my own personal sense is, well, who left [40:51.440 -> 40:54.120] whom the most room in the middle of the corner? [40:54.120 -> 40:59.520] And what I can tell you from having watched the onboards is that Russell missed the apex [40:59.520 -> 41:06.280] by the exact width of the curb, and during the entirety of that turn, he had full lock-on, [41:06.280 -> 41:08.860] as mentioned by Alex Brundle. [41:08.860 -> 41:13.660] On the other hand, Max had about two and a half car widths that he could have taken advantage [41:13.660 -> 41:17.040] of to have not squeezed Russell so tightly. [41:17.040 -> 41:23.860] So in the instance of contact, Max has put himself at a lot more risk than Russell has, [41:23.860 -> 41:25.600] so to me, that's on him. [41:25.600 -> 41:29.240] It's a very easy choice to make if we're going to assign blame there. [41:29.240 -> 41:31.600] And we should, Brad. [41:31.600 -> 41:36.560] I just want to point out because Matt mentioned missing the apex. [41:36.560 -> 41:37.560] There's a lot of Ms there. [41:37.560 -> 41:40.480] Matt mentioned missing the apex there from Russell. [41:40.480 -> 41:42.920] And again, Matt wasn't saying this was relevant. [41:42.920 -> 41:48.640] He was just talking about the line, but missing the apex, as we know, isn't relevant to this discussion. [41:48.640 -> 41:51.400] No, no, you don't have to hit the apex. [41:51.400 -> 41:53.480] Someone saying, why aren't we discussing turn three? [41:53.480 -> 41:54.960] Hello, Patreon live chat, by the way. [41:54.960 -> 41:56.400] I think that's, that is simpler. [41:56.760 -> 42:03.000] Verstappen had the option to either back off or jump to the side and he sort of, well, he just drove into the wall by himself. [42:03.000 -> 42:06.560] I don't think there's too much controversial about that but let's move on down the grid. [42:11.360 -> 42:16.640] Tickets now available for July 1st karting go to mistapexpodcast.com [42:16.640 -> 42:21.680] forward slash karting. Get in there quickly because tickets are going to sell out very, [42:21.680 -> 42:25.280] very soon. Email me spanners at missedapex.net if you [42:25.280 -> 42:29.540] have any questions. Let's move down the grid a bit. I think the next interesting story [42:29.540 -> 42:35.720] here is actually probably Lewis Hamilton having one of the better weekends that we've seen. [42:35.720 -> 42:40.380] And I think as a Hamilton fan and looking at this young buck, George Russell coming [42:40.380 -> 42:45.320] in and on paper, kind of really taking it to Hamilton and if anything, staking [42:45.320 -> 42:50.680] a claim for being a team leader, George Russell has been, you know, brutally consistent in [42:50.680 -> 42:54.200] delivering what George Russell can deliver. [42:54.200 -> 42:58.840] Lewis Hamilton has been much peakier than we're used to seeing him be. [42:58.840 -> 43:03.160] So the last time we saw Lewis Hamilton being this peaky in performance, it feels like you [43:03.160 -> 43:11.280] almost have to go back to 2011 to see that. But last season and a half, he has been up and down. I think Lewis Hamilton's [43:11.280 -> 43:17.040] peaks are higher than George Russell's peak. And we saw Lewis Hamilton at a peak today, [43:17.040 -> 43:23.880] Jono. I think we saw full-on, fiery Lewis Hamilton. And dare I say, he sort of humbled [43:23.880 -> 43:25.040] his young teammate a little bit. Yeah, he had a good weekend. And here's the thing with Lewis Hamilton and dare I say, he sort of humbled his young teammate a little bit. [43:25.040 -> 43:29.520] Yeah, he had a good weekend. And here's the thing with Lewis Hamilton is since George Russell has [43:29.520 -> 43:36.240] joined the team, all his best drives sort of come when the car's great for P6 or it's great for a P3, [43:36.240 -> 43:41.800] great for a P2, whereas George has produced his great drives when the car's good for a win or good [43:41.800 -> 43:47.680] for pole. And so that's where George gets a lot of great credit. And obviously we know best driver pairing on the grid. [43:47.680 -> 43:48.680] No question about it. [43:48.680 -> 43:49.920] No doubts about that. [43:49.920 -> 43:53.640] But this weekend, Lewis Hamilton was in a class of his own, [43:53.640 -> 43:55.080] and he was just so much quicker. [43:55.080 -> 43:58.560] The safety car restart to me, how was that not mentioned? [43:58.560 -> 43:59.920] I watched the Sky commentary. [43:59.920 -> 44:00.440] Never saw it. [44:00.440 -> 44:01.520] They completely missed it. [44:01.520 -> 44:02.200] Never saw it. [44:02.200 -> 44:05.200] Lewis is, what was he, 11th, 10th or something spanners? [44:05.200 -> 44:09.480] And then he gains two three positions in the space of like, three corners or whatever it [44:09.480 -> 44:10.480] was. [44:10.480 -> 44:14.400] Y'know, the dude had an amazing safety car restart, was right on the back of his teammate, [44:14.400 -> 44:19.720] ended up passing his teammate, finished in 6th, despite the unlucky event of where the [44:19.720 -> 44:20.720] safety car put him. [44:20.720 -> 44:23.920] I reckon he was one of the worst off from the safety car periods, and he still managed [44:23.920 -> 44:24.920] to make up for it. [44:24.920 -> 44:30.000] ALICE Right. I just wanted to temper the Hamilton enthusiasm slightly. You've been [44:30.000 -> 44:35.360] ruining everything all night, Brad. I thought he had a good weekend but it wasn't flawless, [44:35.360 -> 44:39.600] it wasn't like his best weekend ever. He was slightly too slow in the sprint qualifying, [44:39.600 -> 44:45.480] Russell got the better of him there by enough of a margin to be... Did he not make a mistake on the final run, I think as well. [44:45.880 -> 44:54.240] There was also some slightly ill chosen positioning that Hamilton made with his car [44:54.280 -> 44:56.560] in the early stages of the sprint race. [44:56.600 -> 45:02.720] So he lost a place or two that on balance, if he'd watched back the video, he probably [45:02.720 -> 45:08.400] would've thought, yeah, committing to go to the outside of a car is opening myself up to be overtaken by Alonso, [45:08.400 -> 45:08.880] whoever it was. [45:08.880 -> 45:14.000] So basically, I think, like, in both the starts, he got a much better run at signs than I think [45:14.000 -> 45:20.320] he was anticipating and ended up having to back off twice, and then he had two battles with Alonso. [45:20.320 -> 45:25.320] It's one of those situations where, on a different different track with that kind of over speed on the [45:25.320 -> 45:30.080] car that you're attacking, you could kind of go a bit on the painted area or put a tyre [45:30.080 -> 45:32.360] on the grass if you had to and use your momentum to get through. [45:32.360 -> 45:35.640] But on a street circuit like this, you can't use it. [45:35.640 -> 45:39.440] You've got all this extra momentum that you can't do anything with. [45:39.440 -> 45:44.040] And you could choose to try and place your car on the outside, or you could just slot [45:44.040 -> 45:48.600] in behind. And I think slotting in behind would have been the better decision in a couple of those. [45:48.600 -> 45:52.760] That's all I'd say. Aside from that, I thought he had a good weekend, certainly today. [45:52.760 -> 46:00.080] The surface was resurfaced for this weekend. The track was resurfaced, for better or worse, [46:00.080 -> 46:04.480] on that. So I don't know if that had an effect on Hamilton going around the outside. I will [46:04.480 -> 46:05.960] tell you this, if it was a launcher [46:05.960 -> 46:08.840] around the outside in any situation at any corner in F1, [46:08.960 -> 46:11.800] he'll make it work and you'll pass somebody. Sometimes there [46:11.800 -> 46:15.440] is a bit of a driver element to this as well. Apart from that, [46:15.440 -> 46:19.160] look, don't get me wrong, Brad's right, Lewis didn't have the [46:19.160 -> 46:22.840] most flawless sprint. In terms of pace, in terms of sessions, in [46:22.840 -> 46:26.160] terms of dominance, you were confident that he was going to get the job [46:26.160 -> 46:29.320] done and his teammate. There are weekends where you go into it [46:29.320 -> 46:32.400] with Mercedes and you go, I actually don't know who's going [46:32.400 -> 46:35.240] to qualify ahead of who. Whereas this weekend, you knew Leclerc [46:35.240 -> 46:38.000] was going to wipe the floor with Sainz. Sainz didn't nail the [46:38.000 -> 46:40.800] setup, you know, had a poor setup after Park Ferme was [46:40.800 -> 46:43.160] locked in. We'll go into that later on with a new format. But [46:44.200 -> 46:45.360] yeah, man, I mean, look, [46:45.520 -> 46:46.080] Brad's right. [46:46.080 -> 46:49.120] Lewis didn't have a flawless sprint that led his weekend down a little bit, but he [46:49.120 -> 46:50.080] was still the better driver. [46:50.400 -> 46:51.280] Let's not get that wrong. [46:51.360 -> 46:51.860] Agreed. [46:52.360 -> 46:56.960] Well, and equally on point, we have Russell apologizing to the team about his [46:56.960 -> 47:03.120] terrible restart in the race today, but it was huge for Lewis because I think he was [47:03.120 -> 47:07.440] as low as his 15th when he pitted. [47:07.440 -> 47:12.920] And let's understand, he pitted before the safety car came out mainly because he was [47:12.920 -> 47:18.040] really struggling on the medium tire, which I think must have had a lot of graining for [47:18.040 -> 47:19.820] him at that point. [47:19.820 -> 47:26.720] And Alonzo was just about to pass him, and rather than let that happen, Mercedes brought him [47:26.720 -> 47:28.460] in. [47:28.460 -> 47:35.600] But on the restart, it's crucial that he not only got past Russell, but he also got by [47:35.600 -> 47:40.680] stroll and essentially back up to Sainz, which was where he was when he pitted. [47:40.680 -> 47:46.080] So yeah, that was an amazing bit of driving from him at a crucial time in the race. [47:46.480 -> 47:51.000] And then how often have we seen Lewis Hamilton pit first? You [47:51.000 -> 47:53.560] know, that was surprising to me with the graining and the tire [47:53.560 -> 47:56.200] issues. Not the first time. I'm not saying we never see it. But [47:56.200 -> 48:00.400] I'm saying normally Lewis goes long, and he knows to go long [48:00.400 -> 48:03.400] unless the team forced him to come in a bit early. He knows [48:03.400 -> 48:06.560] there's a value to this overcut that we talk about, that we know. [48:06.560 -> 48:25.360] And so I was very surprised when his tires were suffering. plans even unlimited. Now I realize this is more of a holiday offer than it is a holiday message, [48:25.360 -> 48:29.360] but if you read between the lines, you can see a message in there. It says we love you. Visit [48:29.360 -> 48:33.360] mintmobile.com slash switch for the offer. Limited time new customer offer. Activate [48:33.360 -> 48:36.720] within 45 days. Additional taxes, fees, and restrictions apply. Unlimited customers using [48:36.720 -> 48:40.240] more than 40 gigabytes per month will experience lower speeds. Video streams at 480p. See [48:40.240 -> 48:46.980] mintmobile.com for details. 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But at that time, Matt, it seemed like a reasonable strategy to go, [51:09.840 -> 51:14.920] right, let's pit, let's do our two-stop and let's be on the front foot here. But even [51:14.920 -> 51:22.240] then, they still pitted him out behind a chain of four slower cars. So all in all, that was [51:22.240 -> 51:26.160] just, you know, the disaster was, oh, he can't keep the, the rears [51:26.720 -> 51:31.760] grippy. Then we put him onto the back of a slow train, then we get the safety car, which gives [51:31.760 -> 51:36.720] everyone a free stop. That looked to be, like that was going to be, right, that's pretty much your [51:36.720 -> 51:43.040] competitive race done. Yeah. I mean, I think Alonzo was about four tenths of a second behind him [51:43.040 -> 51:45.440] when he pitted, on to the main straight. [51:46.320 -> 51:52.000] So it was if it wasn't happening that lap, it was definitely happening the next lap, [51:52.000 -> 51:58.160] because you just look at his lap times and and they weren't there. Probably if I had to make an [51:58.160 -> 52:06.040] educated guess or an uneducated guess, depending upon who you ask, it was he took too much out of the tires at [52:06.040 -> 52:12.720] the start of the race and damaged them, you know, keeping up with the, um, because Mercedes [52:12.720 -> 52:18.680] was super slidey. If you look back turn one and you look at like Hamilton behind signs, [52:18.680 -> 52:22.000] you know, Hamilton was nearly at 45 degrees, you know, drifting. There was a couple of [52:22.000 -> 52:28.960] cars that were like that. The Haas was going in sideways to a lot of corners. Even Perez was going, you know, rear end in [52:28.960 -> 52:33.800] first. But the Mercedes looked particularly bad. So it's no surprise that they would be [52:33.800 -> 52:37.160] struggling with the rears. I think you're right, you might have cooked them early on. [52:37.160 -> 52:43.600] Yeah. And then that naturally leads to this point in the race where I have to pit or I [52:43.600 -> 52:46.440] have to get past. like you said the track [52:46.440 -> 52:51.880] was still hot it was still 42-43 at that point and we know from the sprint race where it [52:51.880 -> 52:56.680] was that hot that the tires just weren't lasting nothing was giving the expected amount of [52:56.680 -> 53:04.320] laps so it was a good decision for Mercedes that wound up really could have really worked [53:04.320 -> 53:05.520] against him. [53:09.640 -> 53:13.960] And, you know, I'm glad you brought up the sliding issue because then there's another issue is that, okay, you're sliding too much in the slow speed corners, the straights, the [53:13.960 -> 53:15.680] Mercedes looked horrendous. [53:15.680 -> 53:20.120] And the speed trap times I'm looking at from the race, like the fastest 15 laps for each [53:20.120 -> 53:23.520] driver in the speed traps and the Mercedes were in the bottom half. [53:23.520 -> 53:24.520] They were one of the worst cars. [53:24.520 -> 53:27.080] And when you watched it visually, you knew it. [53:27.080 -> 53:28.520] You knew when you watched it visually, [53:28.520 -> 53:32.080] like I would watch Lewis or George, can't remember who, [53:32.080 -> 53:34.240] but they had DRS, they were in the slipstream [53:34.240 -> 53:35.560] of a driver catching him. [53:35.560 -> 53:37.280] And as soon as they ducked out of the tow [53:37.280 -> 53:38.920] on the main straight, it's like, [53:38.920 -> 53:40.080] where was that car going? [53:40.080 -> 53:42.100] It just was not propelling itself. [53:42.960 -> 53:44.200] I mean, the camera did change [53:44.200 -> 53:46.420] and then eventually the Mercedes was in front, but it didn't propel [53:46.420 -> 53:48.400] itself the way other cars did. [53:48.400 -> 53:52.680] And that straight line issue continues to amaze me with the Mercedes engine. [53:52.680 -> 53:56.200] Well, it's not the engine. [53:56.200 -> 54:08.240] That Mercedes is about the only team that didn't bring big updates to this track. Imola is where you're going to see sort of what gains in efficiency [54:08.240 -> 54:16.640] they have made. So really this entire weekend they knew was going to be very difficult for them and [54:16.640 -> 54:25.840] they were just putting band-aids on it to get to Miami and Imola where the way their car concept works is going to be slightly [54:25.840 -> 54:27.080] more advantageous. [54:27.080 -> 54:32.440] Ah, at MattPT55 on Twitter, Matt Trumpets on Facebook. I see you've tried to skip [54:32.440 -> 54:36.920] forward to my next topic before I was ready. I have one last question and then [54:36.920 -> 54:42.320] we will go to Aston Martin. Brad, who's better, who's quicker, Russell or Hamilton? [54:42.320 -> 54:45.360] And I only ask because for Russell, that must have been a little [54:45.360 -> 54:50.960] bit difficult to take today when your teammate is just, you know, basically making you look a bit [54:50.960 -> 54:55.520] Bottassy today, not generally over the last, but you know, you must look at that today and go, [54:55.520 -> 55:01.200] wow, he just, I didn't have an answer today. I don't think he looked Bottassy today, [55:01.200 -> 55:10.080] certainly not 2023 Bottas, who's having an absolute shocker. Uh, I think they're extremely evenly matched and that speaks more to the fact [55:10.080 -> 55:13.320] that I think Russell is excellent rather than I think Hamilton is waning or [55:13.320 -> 55:13.880] anything like that. [55:14.200 -> 55:18.560] I think Hamilton is, Hamilton has more depth as you'd expect from someone who's [55:18.560 -> 55:21.720] been around that much longer and has been at the level he's been for that much [55:21.720 -> 55:22.120] longer. [55:22.400 -> 55:27.820] So I think, or in terms of one lap pace, they're almost inseparable [55:27.980 -> 55:29.200] depending on the situation. [55:29.740 -> 55:34.340] Over the balance of a season, I would back Hamilton more because I think he's [55:34.340 -> 55:41.740] got more experience and depth to his driving skill that he'll find [55:41.740 -> 55:44.380] something in race situations. [55:44.240 -> 55:47.280] skill that he'll find something in race situations. CW So, interesting observation number one. [55:47.280 -> 55:54.400] We had a practice session that was kind of not entirely with it in terms of temperatures and [55:54.400 -> 56:00.560] times, so it speaks, I think, to Hamilton's adaptability versus Russell, which may very [56:00.560 -> 56:05.600] well be down to experience and not just talent. [56:05.600 -> 56:11.680] But I do feel the need to speak up for Valtteri here, because I've seen him getting a lot [56:11.680 -> 56:13.880] of grief on the internet. [56:13.880 -> 56:20.240] He got hit twice from behind by Kevin Magnuson on the very first lap, and I'm thinking there's [56:20.240 -> 56:26.240] no way he didn't have diffuser damage and a probably fairly significant loss of downforce. [56:26.240 -> 56:32.160] Plus, Joe retired, so there may have also been a power unit issue that they were managing. [56:32.160 -> 56:38.400] There are plenty of times Bottas deserves lots of criticism, but I think today is not the day [56:38.400 -> 56:43.360] to take the temperature of the whole thing. I'm glad. And I didn't mean to use Bottas-y as a verb. [56:44.000 -> 56:46.000] That feels very harsh. [56:46.000 -> 56:58.000] I am not a fan of Aston Martin. There, I said it, generally. And this could be from Perez's [56:58.000 -> 57:03.840] fanness and him being ousted from the team with Otmar saying all the time, like, no, [57:03.840 -> 57:05.320] we love Perez, he's brilliant, he's going [57:05.320 -> 57:10.800] to stay here for 100 years and then the next day kicking him out and making him homeless. [57:10.800 -> 57:17.320] It could be that my general chip on my shoulder, it makes me feel resentful towards someone [57:17.320 -> 57:22.240] having a team essentially bought for them. All those things don't make any of those people [57:22.240 -> 57:25.120] bad people, but it does make me less likely to be [57:25.120 -> 57:31.120] a fan of them, and I think I've been honest enough. However, I will say that Aston Martin [57:31.120 -> 57:39.600] have been lovely this weekend, just all around, and have bred positivity, camaraderie, sweetness, [57:39.600 -> 57:45.640] good PR. I've loved, I've really enjoyed, I'm a 42 year old man and I've enjoyed the response [57:45.640 -> 57:50.720] to the Taylor Swift, Alonzo dating rumours. I think they played it really well and it [57:50.720 -> 57:55.000] was fun and everyone had fun with it. And like Alonzo could easily have just gone no [57:55.000 -> 57:59.960] or yes, but instead he like avoided every question in exactly the way you would do if [57:59.960 -> 58:05.080] you needed to stoke more rumours. And I thought that was brilliant and playful and great. [58:05.080 -> 58:10.400] The team element seems to be brilliant. Stroll didn't want to interfere with Alonso's race. [58:10.400 -> 58:16.560] Alonso wanted Stroll to have the best tactics, to have the best brake settings. So I will [58:16.560 -> 58:27.280] say that I am left at the back end of this weekend a step closer to one day eventually liking Aston Martin. I think that's as important in sport as [58:27.280 -> 58:33.440] anything. Matt, I think there. I'm not saying I'm going to be an Aston Martin fan tomorrow, [58:33.440 -> 58:38.560] but they made me like them this weekend. Well, yeah, and they played such a team game. I mean, [58:38.560 -> 58:45.720] they had DRS issues and in the sprint qualifying, we sawonso giving Stroll a toe so he could get [58:45.720 -> 58:47.560] into the last sprint qualifying session. [58:47.560 -> 58:48.560] I forgot about that! [58:48.560 -> 58:51.080] He's so lovely that Fernando! [58:51.080 -> 58:53.160] Such a nice boy! [58:53.160 -> 58:58.960] But I will just point out that what an interesting way to stamp your authority on the team than [58:58.960 -> 59:02.520] constantly giving help and advice to the other guy. [59:02.520 -> 59:07.680] Oh yeah, tell Lance, you know, I found this break bias [59:07.680 -> 59:11.600] setting on my own and it's really good. You should probably tell him that, he might be [59:11.600 -> 59:12.600] quicker. [59:12.600 -> 59:15.000] From back there. That might help you catch up. [59:15.000 -> 59:16.000] Exactly. [59:16.000 -> 59:17.000] Philpot. [59:17.000 -> 59:22.520] It speaks to how comfortable Alonso is, that he is definitely the faster of the two, and [59:22.520 -> 59:31.520] how he's not threatened by Lance at all. And the thing that I found the most heartwarming is one way of putting it or just like funny is [59:31.520 -> 59:36.480] another way is Stroll saying, I'm not going to attack Fernando. The team saying, Stroll's not [59:36.480 -> 59:42.080] going to attack you and Fernando going, well, he can have a go if he wants. That's how confident [59:42.080 -> 59:48.680] he is. I mean, it's just so cheeky. It's sort of cheeky in a way from Lance, because like your double world champion teammate, [59:48.680 -> 59:53.560] who is obviously and consistently faster and definitely better than you, is stuck in a [59:53.560 -> 59:58.560] DRS train on a very hard to overtake track, and you catch up to that train, and then you're [59:58.560 -> 01:00:03.960] like, don't worry, I'm not going to absolutely mug him for no reason in a move that could [01:00:03.960 -> 01:00:05.460] only damage both of us [01:00:05.460 -> 01:00:06.460] and the team. [01:00:06.460 -> 01:00:11.960] It's like, okay, thanks for confirming that you're not going to hit self-destruct, Lance. [01:00:11.960 -> 01:00:13.460] That's very good of you. [01:00:13.460 -> 01:00:18.220] Are you all three of you easily that gullible for all this kind of stuff? [01:00:18.220 -> 01:00:19.220] Go on then. [01:00:19.220 -> 01:00:24.060] Listen, if Gene Zee was on this podcast, he and I have listened and took every lesson [01:00:24.060 -> 01:00:26.520] out of the Alonso Alienation Academy, [01:00:26.800 -> 01:00:32.160] where I have trust issues with Fernando Alonso, and I'm hearing these messages to Stroll. I'm [01:00:32.160 -> 01:00:37.340] hearing him give some- I'm watching him give somebody a toe to help them in qualifying with [01:00:37.340 -> 01:00:42.280] the DRS issues they have, and I'm going, I don't trust this. This is fishy. This is too nice. [01:00:42.280 -> 01:00:42.680] John, it's not even fishy. [01:00:42.680 -> 01:00:45.200] He goes from one end of the scale to too nice. [01:00:45.200 -> 01:00:46.200] It's fishy to me. [01:00:46.200 -> 01:00:47.200] I think what you've got- [01:00:47.200 -> 01:00:51.360] He's doing it for the boss's son. Like, if Lance wasn't the son of the guy who owned [01:00:51.360 -> 01:00:55.440] the team, yeah of course he wouldn't be doing that. It's completely transparent, I don't [01:00:55.440 -> 01:00:59.040] think it's fishy at all. I just still find it surprising that Alonso is willing to do [01:00:59.040 -> 01:01:00.040] it. [01:01:00.040 -> 01:01:05.600] This really speaks to Brad's pro-am theory of Formula One that a few seasons ago it was [01:01:05.600 -> 01:01:07.000] going down that pro-am route. [01:01:07.000 -> 01:01:12.800] But I'm getting really strong Lego Movie president business vibes before he turns into [01:01:12.800 -> 01:01:15.360] lord business and he's actually the bad guy. [01:01:15.360 -> 01:01:20.000] If Fernando Alonso starts offering Lance Stroll tacos, we know he's in trouble. [01:01:20.000 -> 01:01:21.000] Well, yeah. [01:01:21.000 -> 01:01:26.840] And again, the thing, the question to be posed then is who would you rather have in Q3? [01:01:27.360 -> 01:01:31.720] Lance your teammate that you know your way faster than or somebody else who might actually [01:01:32.400 -> 01:01:38.060] Pose a threat. I mean, of course, he's gonna help Lance out because that's just one less thing [01:01:38.060 -> 01:01:42.720] He has to worry about in the next session. I don't know. What's the next radio message? [01:01:42.720 -> 01:01:47.440] And it's this sweet. There's please tell Lance, you know, please just tell Lance that after the [01:01:47.440 -> 01:01:51.280] race, I'm going to be going out to the big field and I've got my own football. [01:01:51.280 -> 01:01:52.840] So can he come out and play? [01:01:52.840 -> 01:01:56.760] And can he ask Lawrence if he's allowed out and how long he's allowed to stay out for? [01:01:56.760 -> 01:01:59.400] At the moment, it's super wholesome, Jono. [01:01:59.400 -> 01:02:00.400] Stop being a cynic. [01:02:00.400 -> 01:02:01.680] They've had a great weekend. [01:02:01.680 -> 01:02:02.680] They've all been lovely. [01:02:02.680 -> 01:02:04.360] And you're just a ruiner. [01:02:04.360 -> 01:02:07.680] Look, I love Fernando, one of my favourite drivers ever. [01:02:07.680 -> 01:02:07.960] Right? [01:02:07.960 -> 01:02:08.720] Don't get me wrong. [01:02:08.720 -> 01:02:12.040] This is why I love him for this stuff, because he's just so [01:02:12.040 -> 01:02:13.400] entertaining to talk about. [01:02:13.400 -> 01:02:17.120] But I know that there's something like fishy about this. [01:02:17.120 -> 01:02:19.560] And I reckon in his contract, there's like a bonus for how [01:02:19.560 -> 01:02:20.800] often he helps Lance. [01:02:20.800 -> 01:02:24.680] And it's like a 50 grand bonus every time he does something, [01:02:24.680 -> 01:02:25.320] because there's [01:02:25.320 -> 01:02:29.440] no way he's doing this out of being nice. [01:02:29.440 -> 01:02:35.060] So he's 42, what is he, 43 years old, so for 42 years of his life, he's had a midlife crisis [01:02:35.060 -> 01:02:37.120] all of a sudden and gone, I should be nice for once. [01:02:37.120 -> 01:02:38.120] Well, maybe. [01:02:38.120 -> 01:02:39.120] No, there's something going on here. [01:02:39.120 -> 01:02:40.120] Yeah. [01:02:40.120 -> 01:02:44.400] He's dating Tay Tay and she's a super great person and he's just making him better. [01:02:44.400 -> 01:02:46.000] He's making him be a better [01:02:46.000 -> 01:02:47.000] man, Brad. [01:02:47.000 -> 01:02:53.440] So what's happened here is Lance Stroll has had the best of everything his entire life [01:02:53.440 -> 01:02:59.920] and he's had a race team bought for him. Money is no object in the Stroll universe and he [01:02:59.920 -> 01:03:07.120] now has the best driver coach that he could have. His dad has effectively bought him the top race [01:03:07.120 -> 01:03:11.600] instructor in the world to come along and help him out and be his coach and get him up to the [01:03:11.600 -> 01:03:17.920] next level. That's exactly what's happened and Alonso's comfortable in that role because he [01:03:17.920 -> 01:03:21.600] knows how to help him out. Yeah and he's comfortable enough to know that no matter how much he helps [01:03:21.600 -> 01:03:28.880] him out he's not going to be better than him And if Lance does have a weekend where he gets a great result ahead of Alonso, he can just [01:03:28.880 -> 01:03:37.280] congratulate him and be super magnanimous. But I will point out, whilst Stroll is fine, [01:03:37.280 -> 01:03:42.640] like he's doing well, he's fine. He's an employable driver. He did have a bad weekend, [01:03:42.640 -> 01:03:49.280] qualified poorly, hit the wall, had a little off that Hamilton passed when that was a very defendable [01:03:49.280 -> 01:03:54.680] position. So he's not had a great weekend there to be fair and he was helped in [01:03:54.680 -> 01:03:58.760] qualifying by Fernando Alonso. So I'm just gonna note that I'm not giving [01:03:58.760 -> 01:04:03.320] Stroll a high rating. I would give him a 6 out of 10 for this race. Well and it [01:04:03.320 -> 01:04:05.080] just I just had this thought. [01:04:05.120 -> 01:04:11.160] It brings back to me, look at the difference between Max dealing with Perez and Alonso [01:04:11.160 -> 01:04:12.800] dealing with Stroll. [01:04:12.800 -> 01:04:17.280] And this is again, why I think we might see something different this season than we saw [01:04:17.280 -> 01:04:18.880] last season out of Red Bull. [01:04:18.920 -> 01:04:20.160] Just little things like that. [01:04:20.640 -> 01:04:21.520] Jono, did you have something there? [01:04:22.080 -> 01:04:24.200] I was going to say, didn't he finish fourth? [01:04:24.480 -> 01:04:28.040] You said that he gave him a six out of 10. Oh, as a rating, as a driver. Are you talking [01:04:28.040 -> 01:04:33.080] about Alonso? No, Stroll. I was giving him a generous six out of 10. Oh, my bad. No, [01:04:33.080 -> 01:04:37.520] Alonso finished fourth. And I think there's absolutely no doubt that Alonso is bringing [01:04:37.520 -> 01:04:44.300] the fire this season. And obviously his benchmark is Lance Stroll. So it's hard to tell exactly [01:04:44.300 -> 01:04:45.720] how well he's doing. [01:04:45.720 -> 01:04:51.120] But Brad, I think his gap to how well Stroll is doing, I think we know Stroll is broadly [01:04:51.120 -> 01:04:52.120] fine. [01:04:52.120 -> 01:04:56.720] Like I said, I think if you had started a new team, you could employ Stroll as your [01:04:56.720 -> 01:05:00.560] number two driver, and I don't think that would be the worst decision in the world. [01:05:00.560 -> 01:05:09.840] But Alonso is looking better enough from Stroll, if that makes sense, that you can see that Alonso is still really bringing it and it's so impressive. [01:05:09.840 -> 01:05:15.320] Yeah, I think your view and my view of Stroll and Alonso are probably quite well aligned. [01:05:15.320 -> 01:05:23.040] I think Alonso is showing that he's significantly better, but also Stroll is doing fine. [01:05:23.040 -> 01:05:23.600] Fine. [01:05:23.600 -> 01:05:30.800] Like, it's just a case of we're still in a Formula One where we don't have 20 Alonso level drivers [01:05:30.800 -> 01:05:31.800] or 20 Hamilton. [01:05:31.800 -> 01:05:32.800] It's getting better. [01:05:32.800 -> 01:05:40.400] We're still in an era where there's a hangover of the pool isn't big enough and the meritocracy [01:05:40.400 -> 01:05:45.960] isn't really there yet that we've got everyone is on that super elite level. [01:05:45.960 -> 01:05:48.840] That's what we should be getting to, that's what we should aim for eventually. [01:05:48.840 -> 01:05:51.520] ALICE I thought for a second Brad said it was gonna [01:05:51.520 -> 01:05:55.120] be like 20 Fernando Alonso's on the grid, like clones. [01:05:55.120 -> 01:05:59.160] Just imagine the punch-ons that would happen, and the radio messages. [01:05:59.160 -> 01:06:01.080] That would be a soap opera, I was just pointing it out. [01:06:01.080 -> 01:06:02.840] RILEY Yeah, and they'll all have had the best race [01:06:02.840 -> 01:06:04.880] of their career every single time. [01:06:04.880 -> 01:06:09.440] I will speak to one point though, because I think the general quality, I was disappointed. And they'll all have had the best race of their career every single time. I will speak to one point though, because I think the general quality, I was fearing it was [01:06:09.440 -> 01:06:14.400] going down a pro-am route, especially when we had Mazepin. I feel like it's getting better now, [01:06:14.400 -> 01:06:19.280] and there's a core of the younger drivers who are coming through who are just great. [01:06:19.280 -> 01:06:28.060] And actually, something that Verstappen maybe has to come to terms with now, is he is fighting [01:06:28.060 -> 01:06:31.940] drivers who are coming through a new era behind him. [01:06:31.940 -> 01:06:35.720] Even though he's still very young, he came into the sport and was basically just beating [01:06:35.720 -> 01:06:36.780] up granddad. [01:06:36.780 -> 01:06:42.660] And he took a new style of racing in that kind of surprised other drivers and wasn't [01:06:42.660 -> 01:06:43.860] getting penalised. [01:06:43.860 -> 01:06:45.400] And so when the Russells come in and do [01:06:45.600 -> 01:06:49.120] pretty much exactly the same thing to Verstappen as he's been doing to everyone [01:06:49.120 -> 01:06:52.280] else for the last few years, he's suddenly surprised because he's [01:06:52.480 -> 01:06:55.120] used to being kind of the only one to do that. [01:06:55.320 -> 01:06:57.520] But now you've got Russell up front who's happy to do that. [01:06:57.720 -> 01:07:00.200] Norris up front who's happy to scrap and fight like that. [01:07:00.400 -> 01:07:03.680] And it's it's it's happened many times in F1. [01:07:03.880 -> 01:07:06.000] Schumacher came in and turned everyone into [01:07:06.000 -> 01:07:11.040] Schumacher. And by the end of his career, Schumacher suddenly was having to fight Schumacher [01:07:11.040 -> 01:07:16.760] level people instead of people hanging out of the sides of a car with a cigarette and [01:07:16.760 -> 01:07:23.160] the nearest GQ magazine party. So Verstappen is now, I think, facing some of those things [01:07:23.160 -> 01:07:25.040] as well, where the rules have evolved to make a Verstappen shaped now, I think, facing some of those things as well, where the rules have [01:07:25.040 -> 01:07:32.000] evolved to make a Verstappen-shaped driver, and the way he drives, more the evolutionary [01:07:32.000 -> 01:07:34.800] path you have to go down, and he's going to have to deal with that. [01:07:34.800 -> 01:07:41.040] Yeah, he's having to fight people who grew up on the tactics that he invented as a grown-ass [01:07:41.040 -> 01:07:46.300] person. And so that is a challenge. But am I the only one here [01:07:46.300 -> 01:07:50.000] who finds myself torn about Alonso as a driver? [01:07:50.000 -> 01:07:53.140] On the one hand, I love it, an old guy doing well. [01:07:53.140 -> 01:07:57.780] But imagine the commentary when he finally retires [01:07:57.780 -> 01:08:01.860] and is on F1 TV or Sky or something like that. [01:08:01.860 -> 01:08:06.480] Well, he'll be on Dazen F1, which is the Spanish outlet, [01:08:06.480 -> 01:08:11.600] which had very good coverage, even though I only understood every other word. But yeah, [01:08:11.600 -> 01:08:17.120] it would be interesting to get him as a pundit. I think we're a little while off that because I [01:08:17.120 -> 01:08:19.040] reckon he's going to be in for a couple of years yet. [01:08:31.240 -> 01:08:35.680] Okay, well, the last top team that we are going to go to is Ferrari. And it's kind of odd that when Ferrari finished on the podium, were essentially the second best team of the [01:08:35.680 -> 01:08:42.040] weekend, it still feels underwhelming in a way, Matt, which is, it's crazy because they [01:08:42.040 -> 01:08:45.380] got pole, Leclerc did a great pole position. [01:08:45.380 -> 01:08:48.000] I think he got both poles throughout the weekend [01:08:48.000 -> 01:08:50.900] and he raced very well consistently. [01:08:50.900 -> 01:08:52.980] Ferrari didn't make any mistakes. [01:08:52.980 -> 01:08:55.560] Yet somehow I'm just left with this overwhelming feeling [01:08:55.560 -> 01:08:59.080] that that kind of didn't mean a great deal. [01:08:59.080 -> 01:09:03.280] Well, it's because at the end of the day, [01:09:03.280 -> 01:09:07.000] I think Aston in the race was actually a bit in the hands [01:09:07.000 -> 01:09:08.000] of Alonso, at least. [01:09:08.000 -> 01:09:09.920] Let's be very clear about this. [01:09:09.920 -> 01:09:14.200] In the hands of Alonso, I think the Aston was the better car than the Ferrari. [01:09:14.200 -> 01:09:19.000] I think Ferrari, looking at the upgrade they brought, has made a very big step. [01:09:19.000 -> 01:09:26.240] They're clearly competitive in qualifying and at tracks that perhaps suit their characteristics a bit better, [01:09:26.240 -> 01:09:33.960] i.e. don't have a 2km long straight for Red Bull to be however much faster than they were. [01:09:33.960 -> 01:09:39.720] You could see them being more competitive, but they still have a tire management issue [01:09:39.720 -> 01:09:46.760] that has not fully been sorted and has plagued them ever since the unfortunate technical [01:09:46.760 -> 01:09:51.280] directive last summer changing the plank construction. [01:09:51.280 -> 01:09:54.000] The good news is it is a step. [01:09:54.000 -> 01:09:56.000] They like the car better. [01:09:56.000 -> 01:10:03.080] And if they continue on this path, you could see real two or three way competition by the [01:10:03.080 -> 01:10:04.820] end of the season. [01:10:04.820 -> 01:10:07.120] But I think I think I think the ship for the [01:10:07.120 -> 01:10:11.640] driver's championship has already pretty much sailed on the Red Bull yacht. [01:10:11.640 -> 01:10:18.140] So this track is unique in its long straight. Was Ferrari in any way protected by that long [01:10:18.140 -> 01:10:24.280] straight or flattered by that long straight? No, I think the dead opposite. Leclerc made [01:10:24.280 -> 01:10:28.800] all of his time in the second sector, in the tight and twisty walls. [01:10:28.800 -> 01:10:31.480] ALICE Okay, well in that case, it's a net positive [01:10:31.480 -> 01:10:32.480] for Ferrari. [01:10:32.480 -> 01:10:35.480] JONAH Jono, are you a Ferrari fan? [01:10:35.480 -> 01:10:38.760] A fan adjacent to Foci adjacent? [01:10:38.760 -> 01:10:39.760] Where'd you sit? [01:10:39.760 -> 01:10:43.640] ALICE I'm a neutral, no comment on Ferrari, on [01:10:43.640 -> 01:10:45.160] the fan base part. [01:10:45.160 -> 01:10:46.980] But Matt's right. [01:10:46.980 -> 01:10:50.600] It was through the corners and through the second sectors where the Ferrari was doing [01:10:50.600 -> 01:10:51.600] best. [01:10:51.600 -> 01:10:53.960] Now I know there was some graphic that came up during the coverage, Cameron, if it was [01:10:53.960 -> 01:10:58.720] during a sprint qualifying, which qualifying session that said Leclerc was like dominant [01:10:58.720 -> 01:11:01.440] over Verstappen through the whole lap at one point. [01:11:01.440 -> 01:11:09.360] But if you actually looked into the data or data, or however you want to pronounce that word across the world, data in the British world, data in Australia and [01:11:09.360 -> 01:11:15.720] the US or whatever, anyway, Ferrari were, in my opinion, suffering on the straights [01:11:15.720 -> 01:11:16.720] during the race. [01:11:16.720 -> 01:11:21.760] Now, in Quali, where they made it up, and here's, I think that theory's still on, where [01:11:21.760 -> 01:11:25.260] they've made a power unit that can be run very quickly over one [01:11:25.260 -> 01:11:29.540] lap and they just have to turn the wick down during the race. So it's not only a tire management [01:11:29.540 -> 01:11:34.260] issue but there's a PU element to it, which I think they still haven't figured out that [01:11:34.260 -> 01:11:39.500] reliability element to turn the wick up like they do in qualifying for a race distance [01:11:39.500 -> 01:11:44.100] and that's where they're suffering here during race distances. You look at their top speeds, [01:11:44.100 -> 01:11:45.980] Leclerc was a couple of kilometers down on the step [01:11:45.980 -> 01:11:47.500] and when they didn't have DRS during the race. [01:11:47.500 -> 01:11:50.080] So they are suffering from a couple of little issues here. [01:11:50.080 -> 01:11:52.780] They need to bring some couple of upgrades to help that. [01:11:52.780 -> 01:11:55.820] One issue is car number, what car number, Sainz? [01:11:55.820 -> 01:11:57.380] Well, I was going to say the second car. [01:11:57.380 -> 01:11:58.220] 55. [01:11:58.220 -> 01:11:59.060] 55. [01:11:59.060 -> 01:12:00.340] Oh my goodness, I nearly had said it. [01:12:00.340 -> 01:12:03.220] Now it looks like it's just easy for me to say [01:12:03.220 -> 01:12:04.060] that I knew it. [01:12:04.060 -> 01:12:06.960] Car 55 is an issue. So I think [01:12:06.960 -> 01:12:13.760] Sainz has now found himself in that classic Ferrari number two role and it's too late to do [01:12:13.760 -> 01:12:20.880] anything about it, Brad. He fought it for a while and he had some decent performances and ran Le [01:12:20.880 -> 01:12:25.040] Claire quite close for a while but I think it's gone now. [01:12:29.840 -> 01:12:34.560] Yeah, I think Sainz, unless this weekend was just because he got the setup completely wrong and Parke-Ferme means he couldn't change it and that was the big [01:12:34.560 -> 01:12:39.320] reason, that aside, he just looked nowhere near Leclerc this weekend. [01:12:39.320 -> 01:12:43.640] I know Leclerc is a bit of a Baku specialist, but I think Sainz is going to [01:12:43.640 -> 01:12:46.440] have to settle into that number two role and he's not going to like [01:12:46.440 -> 01:12:46.640] it. [01:12:47.080 -> 01:12:51.600] Yeah. And along with that too is what was going to say here. So [01:12:51.680 -> 01:12:54.600] Science, the worst part for him along with that, Brad, was [01:12:54.840 -> 01:12:58.760] imagine your teammate qualifying first and you're P4. Like, [01:12:58.760 -> 01:13:01.440] there's nothing worse than that being in what should be the [01:13:01.440 -> 01:13:04.280] quickest car, second quickest car. If you're second or third, [01:13:04.280 -> 01:13:05.280] you can deal with it, [01:13:05.280 -> 01:13:07.680] but being fourth compared to your teammate in pole [01:13:07.680 -> 01:13:08.520] is even worse. [01:13:08.520 -> 01:13:09.760] And there was an element to this, Matt, [01:13:09.760 -> 01:13:13.080] where it kind of felt like Science didn't nail the setup [01:13:13.080 -> 01:13:14.240] in practice one. [01:13:14.240 -> 01:13:15.600] They go in a parked Firm A, [01:13:15.600 -> 01:13:16.960] and now Science is stuck with a car [01:13:16.960 -> 01:13:18.400] he doesn't like all weekend. [01:13:18.400 -> 01:13:20.880] This new format really got to the Spaniard. [01:13:20.880 -> 01:13:22.120] Well, I think a bit. [01:13:22.120 -> 01:13:45.680] It may not be, in fact, his favorite race, but look at it from the silver lining side of the cloud. You're having a terrible weekend. And where did he finish? Oh, yeah, fifth. Hamilton couldn't even pass him. So it speaks, I think, a bit to the job that Ferrari has done is that even on an off weekend for one of their drivers, they're still clearly, [01:13:46.320 -> 01:13:53.040] clearly in a good place. I think it's more the gap that he had to Leclerc by the end of the race [01:13:53.040 -> 01:13:57.120] that is most worrying for me. You could say, yeah, he's only a couple of places behind him, but [01:13:57.120 -> 01:14:06.880] I'm going to look at the results now. So Leclerc was 21 seconds behind Perez, who won. Science was 45 seconds behind. It was a huge, huge [01:14:06.880 -> 01:14:13.760] gap. So that's what I'd be most worried about if I was Science. How dare you use fact! [01:14:13.760 -> 01:14:19.560] Well, there was the bit where Science were, well, the 24 seconds, by the way, that's a [01:14:19.560 -> 01:14:27.480] full pit stop almost behind him for one fact about it. But look, to me, it's he definitely did suffer. And I think it was all [01:14:27.480 -> 01:14:31.640] the way down to the setup. And, you know, that cost him [01:14:31.640 -> 01:14:35.600] throughout the weekend. And I do feel bad for him. But also, [01:14:35.620 -> 01:14:39.400] LeClerc's a better driver. So it was bound to happen anyway. Also [01:14:39.400 -> 01:14:41.280] along with that, actually, I can't remember if it was Brad or [01:14:41.280 -> 01:14:43.520] Matt did mention, look, he finished fifth or whatever, like [01:14:43.520 -> 01:14:48.600] that's to me is terrible. You should be in a car that should be finishing top four and you didn't. [01:14:48.600 -> 01:14:51.600] And along with that, every weekend I've come for the last, I think, couple of races or [01:14:51.600 -> 01:14:54.760] even Australia, I go, all right, who are the quickest cars? [01:14:54.760 -> 01:14:59.320] Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes Aston Martin, but then it changes in the race. [01:14:59.320 -> 01:15:03.080] Like the Ferrari is no longer quicker than Red Bull, I slot them second. [01:15:03.080 -> 01:15:07.240] The Ferrari just on race pace, I don't know what to do with them. [01:15:07.240 -> 01:15:11.080] For sports bettors out there, I don't condone this, but if you want to bet on qualifying, [01:15:11.080 -> 01:15:13.640] pick a Ferrari because you might end up winning some money this year. [01:15:13.640 -> 01:15:17.520] Well, yeah, and there is, as we said, room for them to grow. [01:15:17.520 -> 01:15:21.840] But the interesting thing to me is you bring up Park Firmé after the first practice, and [01:15:21.840 -> 01:15:27.280] we have not one, but two examples of drivers who chose to go [01:15:27.280 -> 01:15:33.120] to the back of the grid and reset themselves in the form of Alcon and Hulkenberg, who wound up [01:15:33.120 -> 01:15:40.960] playing a key pivotal role in the race because they did that very thing. And, you know, the [01:15:40.960 -> 01:15:49.660] sprint format may not be fully baked, but I think Park for May is something the FIA should absolutely look at in terms of how it works across the [01:15:49.660 -> 01:15:53.540] weekend in ways that it can make the Sunday racing even better. Okay, so I [01:15:53.540 -> 01:15:59.260] wanted to end before we go on to the podium and our awards, I want to end by [01:15:59.260 -> 01:16:03.820] talking about the sprint format and how we felt about it, but you bring up an [01:16:03.820 -> 01:16:11.320] interesting point there of the hard runners who basically acted as a bit of a test bed for everybody else. [01:16:11.320 -> 01:16:14.680] And if they could fast forward in the race a little bit, Matt, they would have gone, [01:16:14.680 -> 01:16:19.120] oh, Hulkenberg and Ocon could go to the last lap of the race. These hards are going to [01:16:19.120 -> 01:16:24.240] last forever. And I don't know whether they saw that there was no particular drop-off, [01:16:24.240 -> 01:16:27.200] but I have to say that tactic didn't work for either of them. [01:16:27.200 -> 01:16:30.500] Hulkenberg was hanging on for a safety car in the end. [01:16:30.500 -> 01:16:33.500] I guess the classic tactic is, you go out on hards, [01:16:33.500 -> 01:16:37.300] you last a bit longer, it's a massive overcut, then you come out on softer tyres, [01:16:37.300 -> 01:16:42.200] and if there's a safety car in between when you pit and when the soft runners pit, [01:16:42.200 -> 01:16:44.200] then you get a free roll of the dice. [01:16:44.200 -> 01:16:48.640] But looking at the timing screens, even if a perfect safety car would come out for Hulkenberg, [01:16:48.640 -> 01:16:54.080] he was still the penultimate car on track. I just don't understand what the point of doing that, [01:16:54.080 -> 01:16:58.000] of just leaving him out there, hanging him out to dry was, you know, when they maybe could have put [01:16:58.000 -> 01:17:02.240] him on mediums that would have lasted half the race. Well, I think if we're going to talk about [01:17:02.240 -> 01:17:12.200] Hulkenberg, I think even though the Haas was fast, it was far too slow in the middle sectors. In other words, with DRS, Hulkenberg could barely [01:17:12.200 -> 01:17:19.240] keep up with Ocon. And so I think the decision was we get more benefit from a super late safety car [01:17:19.240 -> 01:17:26.560] than we do by putting us on soft tires that we saw in the sprint when away after seven races. [01:17:26.560 -> 01:17:29.720] And I think for Ocon, it was the same calculus. [01:17:29.720 -> 01:17:30.960] You want that. [01:17:30.960 -> 01:17:35.480] I mean, I would have loved to have seen them put on fast tires with enough laps to make [01:17:35.480 -> 01:17:36.480] up a gap. [01:17:36.480 -> 01:17:41.520] But the reality is, passing was pretty difficult in a DRS train. [01:17:41.520 -> 01:17:46.280] So the, so the odds favor the late safety car in that instance. [01:17:46.280 -> 01:17:47.280] JUSTIN. [01:17:47.280 -> 01:17:48.280] Yeah. [01:17:48.280 -> 01:17:52.240] There was the fact that, um, sorry, I just was reading the chat. [01:17:52.240 -> 01:17:53.240] Um. [01:17:53.240 -> 01:17:54.240] ALICE They'll distract you. [01:17:54.240 -> 01:17:55.240] JUSTIN. [01:17:55.240 -> 01:17:56.240] Yeah, it will. [01:17:56.240 -> 01:17:58.520] Um, yeah, so, now you made me lose my point, Spanish, what were we on about? [01:17:58.520 -> 01:17:59.520] We were on about, uh... [01:17:59.520 -> 01:18:02.280] ALICE We were talking about potassium, and its importance in athletics. [01:18:02.280 -> 01:18:05.440] No, we were talking about the going long tactic. [01:18:09.520 -> 01:18:14.000] Yeah, the fact was that it wasn't just the safety car they were going for, it was also the fact that, I mean, it was the red flag too, like an Australia situation. So [01:18:14.000 -> 01:18:18.240] look, there was a little bit of logic to it, I do agree with you, like he had, he was damned if you [01:18:18.240 -> 01:18:22.800] do, damned if you don't, like he was in a position where they basically almost wanted a red flag. I [01:18:22.800 -> 01:18:25.160] know they said safety car, maybe on the radio, [01:18:25.160 -> 01:18:27.160] but it was red flag was their only chance. [01:18:27.160 -> 01:18:29.160] And if the race does get red flagged and restart, [01:18:29.160 -> 01:18:31.400] starts from 10th, fresh tires, who knows? [01:18:31.400 -> 01:18:33.160] Could score a couple of points. [01:18:33.160 -> 01:18:36.680] Yeah, and whilst we're kind of just at that end of the grid, [01:18:36.680 -> 01:18:40.320] I will say that Gasly, who has come in [01:18:40.320 -> 01:18:42.560] in a wave of optimism into Alpine, [01:18:42.560 -> 01:18:45.000] is having an absolute nightmare. [01:18:45.000 -> 01:18:48.960] Like is anyone having a worse time in F1 than Gasly at the moment, Brad? [01:18:49.480 -> 01:18:49.960] Yes. [01:18:49.960 -> 01:18:50.840] Nick De Vries. [01:18:52.480 -> 01:18:55.240] He's, he's had a really bad start to his season. [01:18:55.440 -> 01:18:59.000] I'm sure it will turn around, but yeah, he's, he's been in the wall [01:18:59.000 -> 01:19:03.360] a couple of times this weekend, not really matching Tsunoda for pace. [01:19:03.640 -> 01:19:06.120] So, and I don't't think Sonoda is the ultimate [01:19:06.320 -> 01:19:08.720] benchmark in terms of Formula One driver pace. [01:19:08.920 -> 01:19:11.600] Either so, De Vries is having a worse time. [01:19:11.800 -> 01:19:14.080] Gasly's having a pretty bad time. [01:19:14.280 -> 01:19:16.760] Who else? Who else is not having a great one? [01:19:16.840 -> 01:19:18.120] Sainz this weekend, obviously. [01:19:18.320 -> 01:19:22.760] Yeah. And Oscar Piastri, you know, in between sessions is not having a great time. [01:19:22.760 -> 01:19:24.440] Yeah. And Sargent struggled as well. [01:19:24.640 -> 01:19:28.160] And I think, yeah, so a lot of the rookies just struggled this weekend [01:19:28.160 -> 01:19:29.440] and it's a tough track to be fair. [01:19:29.440 -> 01:19:31.760] – Sargent's pace was actually okay though. [01:19:31.760 -> 01:19:35.600] Sargent's pace when he wasn't in the barrier was okay. [01:19:35.600 -> 01:19:40.160] I know that's easy to say, but I think Sargent's actually a quite decent rookie. [01:19:40.160 -> 01:19:43.680] I think he's been closer to Albon than I expected. [01:19:43.680 -> 01:19:48.140] It's the thing I didn't expect was Gasly to be having quite such a bad time. [01:19:48.140 -> 01:19:49.140] Matt. [01:19:49.140 -> 01:19:54.640] I think one of my favorite things is a publication I shall not name decided to rate the rookies [01:19:54.640 -> 01:20:00.140] and they rated the rookie with the fastest car best, the second fastest car second, and [01:20:00.140 -> 01:20:01.800] the slowest car worst. [01:20:01.800 -> 01:20:04.140] And I just thought that was entirely hilarious. [01:20:04.140 -> 01:20:06.840] I want to come back on Brad's Yuki slander, [01:20:06.840 -> 01:20:09.680] which is that Marco has been saying stuff like, [01:20:09.680 -> 01:20:12.080] he needs another season and then he might be ready [01:20:12.080 -> 01:20:12.920] for Red Bull. [01:20:12.920 -> 01:20:14.200] So like, they're still talking about him [01:20:14.200 -> 01:20:15.660] being a Red Bull driver. [01:20:15.660 -> 01:20:18.440] And so I think he is a reasonable benchmark, [01:20:18.440 -> 01:20:20.720] but you're right, for a rookie coming in, [01:20:20.720 -> 01:20:22.040] especially one with, you know, [01:20:22.040 -> 01:20:24.500] championship credentials in Formula E, [01:20:24.500 -> 01:20:25.160] you would want to [01:20:25.160 -> 01:20:27.520] come in and beat Tsunoda, so I completely accept that. [01:20:27.520 -> 01:20:32.720] And I know we're jumping around a bit here, but I just want to touch on Gasly's recent [01:20:32.720 -> 01:20:38.320] session history. Wiped out his own teammate in Australia, get your free practice completely [01:20:38.320 -> 01:20:44.160] done in by having that chimney stack thing that was going on on the Friday practice, [01:20:44.160 -> 01:20:45.640] just stuff qualifying and [01:20:45.640 -> 01:20:51.720] then spend the whole race at the back. I am surprised that no one just called that. You [01:20:51.720 -> 01:20:55.800] know in the Alonso McLaren days, whenever he was like P12 or below, he'd always have [01:20:55.800 -> 01:21:01.040] a mysterious, you know, thing, come in, no you've got to come in Fernando, and I'm [01:21:01.040 -> 01:21:08.000] sure he told them, I can't be bothered to race 12th and below. Looking at Gasly, I think I would have just called it, just bring it in. [01:21:08.040 -> 01:21:08.840] Just have a blow. [01:21:08.840 -> 01:21:09.600] Take a blow, lad. [01:21:10.080 -> 01:21:12.320] There must have been a code word for Alonso's period. [01:21:12.320 -> 01:21:22.280] It's like, if I say pillow, it means retire the car in the next five laps and pretend like, just go on this spinning wheel and pick one of these retirement issues I came up with on my flight here on my phone. [01:21:22.280 -> 01:21:25.360] But no, look, a couple quick things to knock off. [01:21:25.360 -> 01:21:27.280] You mentioned the race last in the sprint, [01:21:27.280 -> 01:21:30.760] last in sprint quali, last in sprint, [01:21:30.760 -> 01:21:32.560] in normal quali, last in the race. [01:21:32.560 -> 01:21:33.680] God, that's embarrassing. [01:21:33.680 -> 01:21:34.960] That was bad. [01:21:34.960 -> 01:21:35.840] Yeah, it's not great. [01:21:35.840 -> 01:21:37.840] Especially when Snowda qualified top 10 [01:21:37.840 -> 01:21:40.840] in one of the qualifying that we had. [01:21:40.840 -> 01:21:41.720] I have lost track. [01:21:41.720 -> 01:21:45.120] And that is one of the big drawbacks of the sprint weekend [01:21:45.120 -> 01:21:49.680] is I genuinely at times didn't know what session I was watching. After the sprint quali on [01:21:49.680 -> 01:21:54.760] Saturday, I suddenly had a moment where I remembered that it wasn't setting the grid [01:21:54.760 -> 01:21:59.320] for the main race. I was like, oh my goodness, why have I been so invested in this qualifying? [01:21:59.320 -> 01:22:08.420] It's not even for the main race, it's for the sprint qualifying. The whole thing is a sticking plaster and it is a solution looking for a problem. [01:22:08.660 -> 01:22:12.500] F1 wasn't broken, but they need to come in with this sprint format. [01:22:12.520 -> 01:22:13.380] It's happening, Matt. [01:22:13.600 -> 01:22:16.640] I think this is a step forward, but it was too much. [01:22:16.700 -> 01:22:19.420] And I don't think, I think it diluted the weekend. [01:22:19.500 -> 01:22:20.460] That's, there we go. [01:22:20.460 -> 01:22:21.040] Diluted. [01:22:21.120 -> 01:22:22.260] That's the one for me. [01:22:22.460 -> 01:22:24.100] F1 was diluted this weekend. [01:22:24.540 -> 01:22:25.960] Well, it's interesting. [01:22:25.960 -> 01:22:31.760] Did you notice in the sprint qualifying that the teams had to use certain compounds? [01:22:31.760 -> 01:22:32.760] No. [01:22:32.760 -> 01:22:33.760] During certain qualifying sessions? [01:22:33.760 -> 01:22:34.760] Oh, right. [01:22:34.760 -> 01:22:35.760] Yes, yes, yes. [01:22:35.760 -> 01:22:42.760] So, medium in SQ1, medium in SQ2, and then hards, no, softs in SQ3. [01:22:42.760 -> 01:22:46.400] And if they didn't have softs, they couldn't race. They couldn't compete. [01:22:46.400 -> 01:22:53.120] And, yeah, they couldn't, they couldn't race. And what's interesting about this is that this is part [01:22:53.120 -> 01:22:59.120] of a Pirelli plan, which when I say Pirelli plan, obviously prompted by the FIA here, [01:22:59.680 -> 01:23:08.480] to reduce the amount of tires brought to races by requiring teams to use specific compounds on a regular Grand Prix weekend even without [01:23:09.640 -> 01:23:16.920] Even without a sprint race to be concerned about they actually only went through 12 sets of tires this weekend as opposed to the normal [01:23:17.040 -> 01:23:24.220] 13 on a weekend without a sprint race where they have assigned compounds during specific quality sessions [01:23:24.220 -> 01:23:30.000] They're going to be down to 11. We're catching that? Hey guys, how did you all feel about the sprint weekend? Well, [01:23:30.000 -> 01:23:36.720] the tire situation is mutt. No. Brad, you said your feelings on the sprint weekend had changed. [01:23:36.720 -> 01:23:52.080] What were they and where did you end up? So I've been firmly against the sprint format from its outset. I hate the fact that, I have hated the fact that we have inconsistent formats weekend [01:23:52.080 -> 01:23:58.920] to weekend and I disliked that the sprint race up until this weekend was effectively [01:23:58.920 -> 01:24:04.200] stint one of the main race and would unshuffle any interest in qualifying, all the things [01:24:04.200 -> 01:24:06.340] we've gone over a number of times. [01:24:06.340 -> 01:24:10.520] This weekend it changed and I really tried to, I had a whole weekend free basically, [01:24:10.520 -> 01:24:14.240] so I had the opportunity to sit down with an open mind, spend all the time I needed [01:24:14.240 -> 01:24:17.000] to watching the whole thing. [01:24:17.000 -> 01:24:21.600] And I still didn't get to watch it all because there's too much stuff to watch because obviously [01:24:21.600 -> 01:24:28.240] main qualifying is on the Friday, so normally I'd probably listen to practice whilst driving, [01:24:28.240 -> 01:24:31.160] I have it on in the car and just listen to watch practice. [01:24:32.040 -> 01:24:33.600] And that's cool. [01:24:33.600 -> 01:24:37.040] But this time there was an actual qualifying session for the main race, [01:24:37.040 -> 01:24:40.000] which I missed because it was on a work day. [01:24:40.600 -> 01:24:45.640] Then, yeah, we had like lots of stuff happening on the Saturday, which was fine. [01:24:45.640 -> 01:24:50.920] Lots of action with a qualifying and another race, but the race was rubbish [01:24:50.920 -> 01:24:52.960] because short F1 races are rubbish. [01:24:52.960 -> 01:24:56.520] It was just a pretty boring, apart from the Russell, Verstappen, Needle. [01:24:56.520 -> 01:24:58.480] It was a pretty rubbish race. [01:24:58.480 -> 01:25:02.680] And then we had today where we had the main race that I actually sat down and enjoyed. [01:25:02.680 -> 01:25:06.640] Obviously it wasn't the most entertaining thing ever, but it was a proper race and it's [01:25:06.640 -> 01:25:07.640] just an F1 race. [01:25:07.640 -> 01:25:12.400] And I don't expect them all to be unbelievably entertaining each time. [01:25:12.400 -> 01:25:14.160] But there was too much to watch. [01:25:14.160 -> 01:25:15.300] There was too much. [01:25:15.300 -> 01:25:20.240] What they've tried to do is fill every day with action, but we as normal people, especially [01:25:20.240 -> 01:25:25.340] if we've got jobs, don't have Fridays to watch action as well. [01:25:25.340 -> 01:25:30.180] So what they might be doing for people at the track, giving them more to see whilst [01:25:30.180 -> 01:25:32.760] they're there, maybe that works for them. [01:25:32.760 -> 01:25:38.440] But as a spectator at home, I still, I thought it was an improvement in terms of the format, [01:25:38.440 -> 01:25:40.040] but it was still rubbish. [01:25:40.040 -> 01:25:43.240] I still don't think sprint weekends are needed. [01:25:43.240 -> 01:25:48.960] I still think the normal weekend that we have that's worked for a long time is better. [01:25:49.240 -> 01:25:55.240] And I don't like how I was effectively forced to have to pay attention so much. [01:25:55.720 -> 01:25:58.400] Jono, you watch the races from the future, so it doesn't matter for you. [01:25:59.400 -> 01:26:00.560] Yeah, it hasn't happened. [01:26:00.960 -> 01:26:02.240] Well, it has happened in the UK. [01:26:02.280 -> 01:26:03.760] I don't even know the time zones anymore. [01:26:03.800 -> 01:26:08.720] You're ahead by a day. Yes, it's 6.30am, and the worst part about it is I work full-time now, [01:26:08.720 -> 01:26:11.360] so I'm on like three hours sleep, and then gonna have to work full day. [01:26:11.360 -> 01:26:13.200] Oh no, thank you. And I've got a hectic day, [01:26:13.200 -> 01:26:17.840] and I had to watch all this F1 action, like Brad's talking about, and I'm sorry to say, but like, [01:26:17.840 -> 01:26:23.120] if I'm 12, 13 years old, and yeah, okay, I might miss sprint quali at school or something like that, [01:26:23.120 -> 01:26:28.000] but we're in situations, I'm glad Brad said it, because I always thought that I was going to be some [01:26:28.000 -> 01:26:33.200] form of like, negative fan, or I'm not, I don't share my true passions of an F1 fan. [01:26:33.200 -> 01:26:35.240] Why don't you want F1 all the time, Jono? [01:26:35.240 -> 01:26:36.680] Why don't you want it constantly? [01:26:36.680 -> 01:26:40.640] Well, like, I legitimately missed F1 for a few weeks. [01:26:40.640 -> 01:26:44.160] And then this weekend, I go, well, someone's got to mow the lawn, someone's got to work, [01:26:44.160 -> 01:26:46.560] someone's got to earn money, someone's got to do this, someone's going to do that. And I'm just [01:26:46.560 -> 01:26:51.840] like, I don't even have time to scratch my own butt or my head. And then I'm having to watch F1 [01:26:51.840 -> 01:26:58.320] and I love it. Don't get me wrong. It's like a first world problem. But like, where is the point? [01:26:58.320 -> 01:27:02.560] Who's like, to me, I don't want to go into like, I don't want to sound too serious about it. I'm [01:27:02.560 -> 01:27:06.120] not going to go into extreme issues like, well, cost of living crisis. [01:27:06.120 -> 01:27:07.080] So I have to work to earn this. [01:27:07.080 -> 01:27:07.880] No, no, no, it's fine. [01:27:07.920 -> 01:27:11.000] My point is, is that it's a lot of content. [01:27:11.000 -> 01:27:12.120] It's saturated. [01:27:12.120 -> 01:27:16.320] And, um, to me, I just don't know where people have the time to do stuff. [01:27:16.320 -> 01:27:18.180] I legitimately watch F1 races. [01:27:18.180 -> 01:27:19.080] I'll have timing up. [01:27:19.080 -> 01:27:20.440] I'll have this, I'll have Twitter, I'll do this. [01:27:20.800 -> 01:27:24.480] And I probably work out when I watch F1 races, cause when else am I allowed to work out? [01:27:24.520 -> 01:27:29.600] When else do I have time? You know, it's just, this is so hard to find time to watch the sport now. [01:27:29.600 -> 01:27:31.920] Brad. It's also the same issue, [01:27:31.920 -> 01:27:37.600] this dilution, with having 50 races a year or whatever we're going towards. It was always good [01:27:37.600 -> 01:27:45.560] having gaps between races because the fewer races you have within reason, the more valuable each race is and the more [01:27:45.560 -> 01:27:50.300] interesting and exciting it is, and the easier it is to get the time of, you know, get the [01:27:50.300 -> 01:27:55.360] permission for whatever your home situation is, to have those hours on a Sunday to watch [01:27:55.360 -> 01:27:56.440] that. [01:27:56.440 -> 01:28:01.120] When it's every weekend, like it pretty much is coming up soon, there is a point where [01:28:01.120 -> 01:28:08.560] each race matters less and you'll have to make a decision, a lot of people have to make a decision, to just not watch some of them. And that means you're missing some [01:28:08.560 -> 01:28:13.320] of the story. And that's why it's a problem that there's too much on this weekend. Because [01:28:13.320 -> 01:28:19.000] we're not complaining because we don't enjoy watching it. It's just that if you want to [01:28:19.000 -> 01:28:24.560] be invested in the story, the narrative of the season, you want to be able to see everything [01:28:24.560 -> 01:28:25.160] that happens, [01:28:25.160 -> 01:28:29.480] but if things are happening that you can't watch for all these reasons, then it's a problem. [01:28:29.480 -> 01:28:35.920] So I am really enjoying this conversation between three people who hate the Sprint [01:28:35.920 -> 01:28:42.640] Weekend and hate the format. And I was impressed that Spanners actually nailed the fact that [01:28:42.640 -> 01:28:50.320] there's an entire half of the world for whom that sprint quali happens at a very convenient time, a Saturday morning where I can watch it [01:28:50.320 -> 01:28:56.240] on my device while my kid, if I have a kid or, you know, my partner sleeps or whatever, [01:28:56.240 -> 01:29:02.000] I can watch it. I can watch that. I have a whole day where I can watch Formula One racing. [01:29:02.000 -> 01:29:06.320] Whereas for a lot of people that race happens on a Monday morning, [01:29:06.320 -> 01:29:09.280] right before I have to go to work, if I'm lucky, right, Jono? [01:29:09.280 -> 01:29:16.560] — Yes, exactly. And as somebody just said in the Slack chat, find time to just scratch your own [01:29:16.560 -> 01:29:23.200] butt is something that they can teach me, yes, I know. But, um, look, Matt, I'll leave it up to [01:29:23.200 -> 01:29:27.360] you, but honestly, I'm, I'm I'm... yeah, no complaints from me. [01:29:27.360 -> 01:29:29.760] I could ramble on for this forever. [01:29:29.760 -> 01:29:30.760] F1's brilliant. [01:29:30.760 -> 01:29:32.480] I love watching Formula One races. [01:29:32.480 -> 01:29:37.720] It challenged the personal time I have available, and I think that was my only issue. [01:29:37.720 -> 01:29:42.880] But it's a cash grab, because we were wondering whether to do a Saturday review or not, and [01:29:42.880 -> 01:29:45.440] to be honest, we're ad supported and because we're being [01:29:45.440 -> 01:29:50.960] supported very well by the fantastic people at Acast, sorry Matt, we would have made a few more [01:29:50.960 -> 01:29:55.840] advertising pennies if we'd have done a Saturday review. But I felt like that was going to dilute [01:29:55.840 -> 01:29:59.680] our feed and I made that decision to go, right, well, let's just ramble on a little bit more [01:29:59.680 -> 01:30:04.320] on Sunday. But that felt like the most complete podcast product. We have to be honest, [01:30:04.320 -> 01:30:08.060] F1 is going to make money, more money doing it this way. [01:30:08.060 -> 01:30:15.900] Yeah, and what I want to speak to is that by offering more people bigger chances, more [01:30:15.900 -> 01:30:26.920] chances to watch some part of a weekend, they are also bringing in fans that aren't represented by us and like when [01:30:26.920 -> 01:30:31.760] you talk about information overload I am there with you I have multiple screens I [01:30:31.760 -> 01:30:36.200] have multiple data streams coming in I have multiple audio streams coming in it [01:30:36.200 -> 01:30:41.120] is a lot to keep track of and I think we see it in the journalistic output and [01:30:41.120 -> 01:30:45.700] this and that and the other but the world of people who will watch some Formula One [01:30:45.700 -> 01:30:48.640] is much bigger than just us. [01:30:48.640 -> 01:30:51.240] So I can't fault F1 for trying. [01:30:51.240 -> 01:30:54.160] I'm with Brad, I think it's an improvement. [01:30:54.160 -> 01:30:58.160] I think they could still find more iterations [01:30:58.160 -> 01:31:00.320] that would make it more interesting for people [01:31:00.320 -> 01:31:01.220] and work better. [01:31:01.220 -> 01:31:05.280] And because they've already improved the product once. [01:31:05.280 -> 01:31:07.460] Let's just trust that they might be able to do so again. [01:31:07.460 -> 01:31:12.440] And the last point I want to make is that it is always been very clear. [01:31:12.440 -> 01:31:17.240] This is not something that's going to be every track every weekend. [01:31:17.240 -> 01:31:23.260] I think six, eight is about the most we will ever see because it just even they will admit [01:31:23.260 -> 01:31:26.440] it doesn't work every weekend, every [01:31:26.440 -> 01:31:31.400] track. But it is an additional thing. And it widens the Formula One universe. So I'm [01:31:31.400 -> 01:31:32.400] okay with it. [01:31:32.400 -> 01:31:35.840] I agree with your logic that that should be the way it goes. But I'm absolutely convinced [01:31:35.840 -> 01:31:51.580] that by 2026, every weekend is a sprint weekend. Let's go to the podium. The Azerbaijan Grand Prix happened. The whole sprint weekend added some [01:31:51.580 -> 01:31:56.840] value to my weekend. I enjoyed watching my F1. I actually enjoyed the race today and [01:31:56.840 -> 01:32:01.240] as seems to happen to me in increasing amount, I enjoy my race. I look online, everyone's [01:32:01.240 -> 01:32:05.820] going, that's boring, that was rubbish, that's the worst ever. Well, do you know what? [01:32:05.820 -> 01:32:09.240] Sometimes sports boring, sometimes it's a nil-nil draw. [01:32:09.240 -> 01:32:14.720] Sometimes you just watch a pointless game and then you just go and have a beer, have [01:32:14.720 -> 01:32:17.000] a nap and call that a weekend. [01:32:17.000 -> 01:32:23.880] And I think F1 will always, to some degree, deliver boring events every now and then, [01:32:23.880 -> 01:32:25.880] especially when you have a formula that [01:32:25.880 -> 01:32:31.380] has evolved on on circuits mainly and then you have an obsession and it is an [01:32:31.380 -> 01:32:35.660] obsession with adding more and more street tracks which you know, which you [01:32:35.660 -> 01:32:40.480] know fundamentally will not deliver racing action. How many more examples of [01:32:40.480 -> 01:32:45.000] street tracks do you need to see that they will always deliver that kind of [01:32:45.000 -> 01:32:49.680] race? So if you want street tracks that's fine but you say this is a street track [01:32:49.680 -> 01:32:52.680] weekend we're not gonna have wheel-to-wheel action but oh look at the [01:32:52.680 -> 01:32:57.680] onboards look at the the spectacle you know look at look at the driver skill [01:32:57.680 -> 01:33:03.160] required focus on those things but you can't like street tracks or promote [01:33:03.160 -> 01:33:06.740] street tracks and then be disappointed when there's no racing action. [01:33:06.740 -> 01:33:11.760] So I would say there's a lot of proper tracks out there sitting there unused. [01:33:11.760 -> 01:33:19.260] And if I could tap into the boardroom of F1, I would just say please stop being obsessed with taking us into town centers. [01:33:19.260 -> 01:33:29.800] Leave the town centers for what they do best these days, which I guess is restaurants, because there's no shops in town centres anymore. But it is time for the Missed Apex Awards, [01:33:29.800 -> 01:33:37.000] and let's start with our positive one. [01:33:37.000 -> 01:33:41.920] This is where we're super positive, because it's Thing of the Weekend. Brad Philpott, [01:33:41.920 -> 01:33:45.600] Bradley Philpott on YouTube, Brad Philpot on Twitter. [01:33:45.600 -> 01:33:46.400] I lose track. [01:33:46.400 -> 01:33:47.900] I know you're trying to stay young and trendy. [01:33:47.900 -> 01:33:52.000] So you've gone for Brad because if there was a Ninja Turtle called Bradley, [01:33:52.400 -> 01:33:54.300] that they would definitely change it to Brad. [01:33:54.800 -> 01:33:54.900] Yeah. [01:33:54.900 -> 01:33:58.200] So I'm Brad on all of the media that allowed me to change. [01:33:58.200 -> 01:33:58.800] Oh, I see. [01:33:59.100 -> 01:34:02.400] Or things that I started since I got old. [01:34:02.800 -> 01:34:06.240] I'm still Bradley at Bradley Phil Philpott on Twitter, where [01:34:06.240 -> 01:34:10.700] because of Max Verstappen getting all tetchy with George Russell, I got a bunch more followers [01:34:10.700 -> 01:34:14.200] this weekend because people like it when I tweet about that stuff. So up to 20k. [01:34:14.200 -> 01:34:20.920] You now have 20,000 followers on Twitter and that's like legit, like F1, because F1 is [01:34:20.920 -> 01:34:28.100] quite a small bubble still. So 20k on Twitter is quite big. But it's fair to say you have got that, but you are unrestrained. [01:34:28.100 -> 01:34:30.980] You are just completely honest about your opinion. [01:34:30.980 -> 01:34:36.700] And I know some people think that you have some weird birth vendetta against Red Bull [01:34:36.700 -> 01:34:39.620] and Verstappen, but I've seen your views evolve. [01:34:39.620 -> 01:34:44.180] I've seen that you were neutral and in fact, you were something of a Red Bull fan at one [01:34:44.180 -> 01:34:51.280] point and then you changed your mind as certain things have happened. So it's not like a religion with [01:34:51.280 -> 01:34:56.680] you but you're very very honest and that has meant you've got this core following behind you. Whereas [01:34:56.680 -> 01:35:03.440] I am neutral and that's why I only have 16,000. Yeah you're catching me because you're a proper [01:35:03.440 -> 01:35:05.640] you're a proper celeb. In fact, you're one of the most [01:35:05.640 -> 01:35:08.280] influential people in Formula One media, apparently, according to Twitter. [01:35:08.280 -> 01:35:13.520] According to one tweet ever, but no, of course we're not. But go and follow Brad by searching [01:35:13.520 -> 01:35:19.200] for Bradley Philpott on Twitter. Who is your, or what is, your thing of the weekend? [01:35:19.200 -> 01:35:27.720] It was the national anthem sung by the performers at Baku, who all took their dresses off to reveal [01:35:27.720 -> 01:35:33.440] the flag and it was a really cool performance. I don't care if it was lip-synced or whatever, [01:35:33.440 -> 01:35:37.840] it was a good performance. The National Anthem sounded cool. That's my thing of the weekend. [01:35:37.840 -> 01:35:41.600] It's hit and miss, isn't it, with those National Anthem performances? I would say they're Eurovision [01:35:41.600 -> 01:35:47.000] level. So I think there should be a competition at the end of the season where all the national [01:35:47.000 -> 01:35:50.780] anthem people come together and we vote on which ones we like the best. [01:35:50.780 -> 01:35:52.560] It's going to be hard to beat the Kazoos. [01:35:52.560 -> 01:35:53.560] Where did we have Kazoos? [01:35:53.560 -> 01:35:54.560] Was that Saudi Arabia? [01:35:54.560 -> 01:35:55.560] Yeah, it was. [01:35:55.560 -> 01:35:57.320] They had the piccolos or whatever. [01:35:57.320 -> 01:35:58.320] That was great. [01:35:58.320 -> 01:36:02.480] Okay, Jono, who was your thing of the weekend? [01:36:02.480 -> 01:36:06.440] I know you love a national anthem, Spanners, so I'm all for that idea. [01:36:06.440 -> 01:36:12.560] My thing of the weekend would have had to have been when, I think it was pre-race? [01:36:12.560 -> 01:36:16.400] It was when the reconnaissance lapsed, and they were going out for the laps, and Ted [01:36:16.400 -> 01:36:20.520] Kravitz, I think somebody was telling him and his camera person to sort of just move [01:36:20.520 -> 01:36:24.380] backwards, like you're in the wrong spot, and mid-report, Ted has been nailing it, which [01:36:24.380 -> 01:36:25.400] by the way, Ted's also [01:36:25.400 -> 01:36:26.920] been doing a great job all weekend, I reckon. [01:36:26.920 -> 01:36:27.560] He's always good. [01:36:27.760 -> 01:36:31.840] Quality reports. And literally, he's like talking, this is [01:36:31.840 -> 01:36:34.480] happening, I'm reporting this, and somebody's dragging him [01:36:34.480 -> 01:36:37.280] away as he's talking, he goes, Are you good lad? And he just [01:36:37.280 -> 01:36:40.360] keeps reporting literally mid sentence. And that actually made [01:36:40.360 -> 01:36:44.000] me chuckle a lot. I was that was hilarious. I don't know if it [01:36:44.000 -> 01:36:50.000] was a sprint or if it was something else. Not my best moment of the weekend, but that to me I thought was getting me a chuckle. [01:36:50.000 -> 01:36:52.720] And you know what? You make me laugh, you get my moment of the weekend. [01:36:53.840 -> 01:36:59.040] I'll go before Matt. My moment of the weekend was Charles Leclerc reporting that he had a cut [01:36:59.680 -> 01:37:04.800] on the team radio. And then the commentary speculating, oh, is that a cut in engine power? [01:37:04.800 -> 01:37:05.600] Is that a cut on his tyre? Is that going to be a puncture? And then the commentary speculating, oh is that a cut in engine power? Is that a cut on [01:37:05.600 -> 01:37:11.840] his tyre? Is that going to be a puncture? And then in the sprint race interview he revealed that no, [01:37:11.840 -> 01:37:16.720] he'd seen a cat on the track and he was just reporting a cat and that just reminded me so [01:37:16.720 -> 01:37:20.800] much of my kids that you'll be just driving along randomly and then one of the kids will go, [01:37:21.360 -> 01:37:28.760] sheepy weepy or moo cow and the the clerk is just doing that very same thing. [01:37:28.760 -> 01:37:30.480] Cat, I can see a cat. [01:37:30.480 -> 01:37:32.280] Yes, very good, Charles. [01:37:32.280 -> 01:37:34.280] What's your tire temperature like? [01:37:34.280 -> 01:37:36.920] Matt Trumpets, what was your thing of the weekend? [01:37:36.920 -> 01:37:40.560] And I am sitting here because you made me go last. [01:37:40.560 -> 01:37:42.980] Gobsmacked that no one picked this. [01:37:42.980 -> 01:37:48.360] But how could anyone's thing of the weekend not be Russell's overtake in the pit lane [01:37:48.360 -> 01:37:49.360] on stroll? [01:37:49.360 -> 01:37:50.360] Oh yeah. [01:37:50.360 -> 01:37:53.120] And was that- well, that should have been penalized, Matt. [01:37:53.120 -> 01:37:55.040] You can't overtake in the pit lane. [01:37:55.040 -> 01:37:57.920] Well, actually, you can. [01:37:57.920 -> 01:38:00.320] And he did, and it was awesome. [01:38:00.320 -> 01:38:04.200] You're all gonna say Article 17.35 or something, aren't you, Brad? [01:38:04.200 -> 01:38:06.720] I just had a question about that. I understand [01:38:06.720 -> 01:38:12.800] that it was legal, but they were behind safety car. So I didn't think you were allowed to do [01:38:12.800 -> 01:38:16.880] any overtaking behind the safety car. So it wasn't that it was in the pit lane that was a problem for [01:38:16.880 -> 01:38:21.200] me. It was just that it was behind the safety car. And the only logical conclusion I could come to [01:38:21.200 -> 01:38:27.500] was, well, there's going to be overtaking in the pits because people are stopping and then other people are carrying on. [01:38:27.500 -> 01:38:31.460] So maybe the pit lane isn't deemed part of the racetrack or something like that, but [01:38:31.460 -> 01:38:32.900] I was confused about that. [01:38:32.900 -> 01:38:35.740] Yeah, which I look, I'll need to rewatch it now. [01:38:35.740 -> 01:38:39.220] I'm starting to doubt myself, but I don't think he actually, did he make his way ahead [01:38:39.220 -> 01:38:40.220] at one point? [01:38:40.220 -> 01:38:41.220] Yeah, he did. [01:38:41.220 -> 01:38:44.020] He got fully to the line in front of Stroll. [01:38:44.020 -> 01:38:46.760] Stroll was slowing down. Russell got ahead of him, got to the line first. [01:38:47.240 -> 01:38:47.600] Okay. [01:38:47.600 -> 01:38:47.720] Okay. [01:38:47.720 -> 01:38:52.800] Well, I was going to add to that is, look, maybe I need to read [01:38:52.800 -> 01:38:56.120] up the 4,000 regulations that everyone has for the pit lane [01:38:56.120 -> 01:38:59.800] alone, let alone the 400,000 regulations for the sport, over [01:38:59.840 -> 01:39:02.200] whether that's considered like you can overtake there. [01:39:02.360 -> 01:39:07.160] I know after Abu Dhabi 2021, they outlawed you going alongside somebody [01:39:07.160 -> 01:39:08.160] during a safety car period [01:39:08.160 -> 01:39:09.800] after Max started to abuse that a little bit. [01:39:09.800 -> 01:39:11.280] So that's actually a good point. [01:39:11.280 -> 01:39:13.040] And I thought about it at the time, [01:39:13.040 -> 01:39:14.840] but now it's starting to make me think about it more. [01:39:14.840 -> 01:39:16.560] Why was that not investigated? [01:39:16.560 -> 01:39:18.160] I think the thing they need to clamp down on though [01:39:18.160 -> 01:39:21.280] is when you are the second person in a double stack, [01:39:21.280 -> 01:39:24.600] you can't just hold everyone up to not lose time. [01:39:24.600 -> 01:39:25.440] So that's where [01:39:25.440 -> 01:39:28.300] I would be looking as well. Matt? [01:39:28.300 -> 01:39:32.740] And you would be correct. If anyone was really to be investigated for that, it would be Stroll [01:39:32.740 -> 01:39:38.600] for driving too slowly into the pit lane under safety car conditions. But the reality is [01:39:38.600 -> 01:39:43.400] the moment you leave the track, you cross that line, you're not behind the safety car [01:39:43.400 -> 01:39:49.880] anymore. And the pit lane rules are what apply both entering the pit lane and as we've also seen [01:39:49.880 -> 01:39:56.280] and Monaco famously exiting the pit lane, you can pass people until you are back on [01:39:56.280 -> 01:39:59.320] the track and then the safety car rules do apply. [01:39:59.320 -> 01:40:04.400] And in this case, Russell was investigated and found to be legal because he had one tire [01:40:04.400 -> 01:40:05.640] still in the [01:40:05.640 -> 01:40:07.960] fast lane when the overtake happened. [01:40:07.960 -> 01:40:10.960] Oh no, you missed the Apex. [01:40:10.960 -> 01:40:15.360] Do you know who never misses the Apex? Our patrons who keep Missed Apex going. [01:40:15.360 -> 01:40:20.320] We can offer an ad-free feed, a place in our coveted slack forum. You'll find out [01:40:20.320 -> 01:40:24.800] about events quicker than anybody else like the karting. Come karting July 1st. [01:40:24.800 -> 01:40:31.080] Brighton Karting. Email me spanners at missedapex.net. But you'll be joining our community of patrons [01:40:31.080 -> 01:40:36.760] and getting worse extra content on the Friday before a race where me and Matt just hit record [01:40:36.760 -> 01:40:41.800] and we have a bit of a waffle. Patreon.com forward slash missed apex or click the link [01:40:41.800 -> 01:40:46.000] in the show notes below. Your support is what keeps Missed Apex going. [01:40:46.000 -> 01:40:52.000] Now then, who missed the Apex for you, Brad? This is the Bad Thing Award. Who did bad? [01:40:52.000 -> 01:41:00.000] This is a really easy one. Whoever is in charge of allowing photographers and other media members [01:41:00.000 -> 01:41:05.080] into the pit lane during a race, before the race has finished and when cars are still [01:41:05.080 -> 01:41:10.840] due to make pit stops, because we narrowly avoided Esteban Ocon wiping out humans in [01:41:10.840 -> 01:41:14.300] the fast lane of the pits today because of someone's incompetence. [01:41:14.300 -> 01:41:18.560] And on this subject, I've seen that the FIA have investigated themselves and they've given [01:41:18.560 -> 01:41:22.400] themselves a stern talking to that they won't let it happen again. [01:41:22.400 -> 01:41:26.440] The consequences of that would have been horrendous if only a [01:41:26.440 -> 01:41:28.200] few things had been different. [01:41:28.440 -> 01:41:29.960] Like they saw it just in time. [01:41:30.400 -> 01:41:31.480] There was actually barriers. [01:41:31.480 -> 01:41:33.240] They were putting the barriers out. [01:41:33.600 -> 01:41:35.520] So someone's really, really dropped the ball there. [01:41:35.760 -> 01:41:39.440] And Azerbaijan, it's either lucky or unlucky that there's a bit of a slalom, [01:41:39.920 -> 01:41:44.400] a bit of a left right into the pits, which a, slowed Okon down earlier, I [01:41:44.400 -> 01:41:48.680] suppose, but also it meant it was blind. So I don't think you had to do much different for [01:41:48.680 -> 01:41:53.760] that to turn into you know photographer 10-pin bowling Matt and I think with [01:41:53.760 -> 01:41:59.320] with stuff like this with safety you should treat this as if he did go into [01:41:59.320 -> 01:42:03.280] the photographers and then take your actions as if that was the consequence [01:42:03.280 -> 01:42:10.720] yeah and and it was clear from f1TV reporting that allowing people into the pit lane at that point [01:42:10.720 -> 01:42:16.800] was acceptable, but not in the fast lane where cars are, and this is where the real problem was. [01:42:16.800 -> 01:42:25.420] And just with regards to the slowing down, I did look at the onboard, And what I can tell you is that about a second elapse between [01:42:25.420 -> 01:42:32.360] Ocon being in view of the people and him being down a gear and on the pit limiter at least [01:42:32.360 -> 01:42:38.160] a car length and a half before where you're supposed to be down to pit lane speed. So [01:42:38.160 -> 01:42:46.280] they are very lucky that he was paying attention and slowed down enough to keep anyone from being in harm's [01:42:46.280 -> 01:42:47.280] way. [01:42:47.280 -> 01:42:49.840] And yeah, it needs to never happen again. [01:42:49.840 -> 01:42:54.000] And what inflated the situation was the fact that Ocon was about to be lapped, so you're [01:42:54.000 -> 01:42:57.360] thinking about it, oh look, Paris is about to win, photographers get out there, the race [01:42:57.360 -> 01:43:02.120] is over, oh wait, the last car almost on the lead lap is about to pit, so that made it [01:43:02.120 -> 01:43:03.120] a little bit worse. [01:43:03.120 -> 01:43:06.960] Alright, I'm gonna get mine in, I going to give my missed Apex award to... [01:43:07.440 -> 01:43:09.120] I know this is going to feed my emails, but I'm going to give [01:43:09.120 -> 01:43:12.000] it to Max Verstappen, like he's the current world champion. [01:43:12.200 -> 01:43:13.120] Just think he had a shocker. [01:43:13.120 -> 01:43:16.400] You know, it's not just being generally off pace. [01:43:16.640 -> 01:43:17.680] That's no shame. [01:43:18.200 -> 01:43:19.600] Sergio Perez is a good driver. [01:43:19.640 -> 01:43:21.880] I think your teammates are good driver who had the [01:43:21.880 -> 01:43:23.320] measure of you all weekend. [01:43:23.640 -> 01:43:28.880] But the frustrations just bubbled over and all weekend, the interviews were, I don't know if Formula One's a good driver who had the measure of you all weekend. But the frustrations just bubbled over and all weekend the interviews were, I don't know if Formula One's a good [01:43:28.880 -> 01:43:34.200] life, I don't know how much I want to be here, I might quit if they mess with the format [01:43:34.200 -> 01:43:39.840] too much, I found sprint qualifying boring. You just sat there in the interview, I was [01:43:39.840 -> 01:43:45.040] bored during sprint qualifying because we'd already already done one, kicking off all sprint [01:43:45.040 -> 01:43:49.560] race long on Saturday, he was kicking off about the George Russell thing. Then a [01:43:49.560 -> 01:43:54.960] standard two in public, in front of the cameras, you know, really mouthing off to [01:43:54.960 -> 01:44:00.040] George Russell, saying, I'll do the same to you next time. If you had a [01:44:00.040 -> 01:44:03.760] colleague who suddenly started behaving like that, you'd be sitting them down and [01:44:03.760 -> 01:44:05.280] saying, is everything all right, mate? [01:44:05.280 -> 01:44:08.960] And I hope the people around Max Verstappen are saying, is everything all right, mate? [01:44:08.960 -> 01:44:10.200] Because at the moment it doesn't. [01:44:10.200 -> 01:44:13.080] So that's my Missed Apex award is Max Verstappen. [01:44:13.080 -> 01:44:15.280] Jono, who missed the Apex for you? [01:44:15.280 -> 01:44:17.720] Sorry, I was laughing, but I'm genuinely... [01:44:17.720 -> 01:44:22.960] Look, if there is something wrong, Max, we are concerned for you. [01:44:22.960 -> 01:44:25.740] I think fans and friends of Verestappen should be concerned after that [01:44:25.740 -> 01:44:26.740] weekend. [01:44:26.740 -> 01:44:27.740] Jono, who missed the Apex? [01:44:27.740 -> 01:44:28.740] Sorry, Gorm. [01:44:28.740 -> 01:44:33.320] Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna switch it to Mercedes and off the track, in a sense. [01:44:33.320 -> 01:44:37.640] Toto Wolf, at one point this weekend, didn't know what a hype man was. [01:44:37.640 -> 01:44:43.680] Now, I'm pretty sure that's gotta be almost a universal term right now, but he didn't [01:44:43.680 -> 01:44:47.800] know what a hype man was, and to me I sat there going like, no. [01:44:47.800 -> 01:44:52.800] I'm sorry, I love you Toto, but that was just like, no, you gotta know what that is. [01:44:52.800 -> 01:44:57.320] And look, maybe it's an English term or something, but Toto's very fluent in English, he knows [01:44:57.320 -> 01:44:59.040] it, other than that I'm coming up with excuses for him. [01:44:59.040 -> 01:45:00.040] Toto, there's no excuse for that. [01:45:00.040 -> 01:45:03.480] You're giving him the missed Apex award for not knowing what a hype man is. [01:45:03.480 -> 01:45:04.480] Wow. [01:45:04.480 -> 01:45:05.280] You gotta know what a hype man is. [01:45:06.400 -> 01:45:07.840] Have you met Matt? [01:45:07.840 -> 01:45:09.520] Oh, seven people get that reference. [01:45:09.520 -> 01:45:09.920] Okay, Matt. [01:45:10.800 -> 01:45:12.800] Matt, who missed the Apex for you? [01:45:13.360 -> 01:45:20.080] Well, I'm actually gonna pick someone who hit the Apex, but in a very, very literal fashion. [01:45:20.880 -> 01:45:21.920] That would be Nick DeVries. [01:45:22.800 -> 01:45:41.000] I mean, granted, he looked really good last year on a track that had three turns on it, but I've seen him race in Formula E as well, and I'm just generally expecting a bit more of him, and I hope he can reach the standard that he ought to be driving to. [01:45:41.000 -> 01:45:45.440] Because right now, with a new team principal coming in next season, [01:45:45.440 -> 01:45:47.800] if I were him, I'd be kind of concerned. [01:45:47.800 -> 01:45:53.200] Thank you for tuning in to Mr Apex podcast. Go into the show notes in your app below and [01:45:53.200 -> 01:46:00.840] follow my team. Follow Jono, who is JonnyESS8 on Twitter, but his link will be in the show [01:46:00.840 -> 01:46:09.720] notes below. Brad at Brad Philpot or search for Bradley Philpot on the less cool sites that wouldn't let him change his name. Sign up to come racing [01:46:09.720 -> 01:46:15.480] directly with me, Brad, Kyle, Stuffy, we're all going to be in that endurance race. So [01:46:15.480 -> 01:46:21.400] email me spanners at missapex.net. May 27th it starts, 24 hours at the Le Mans circuit [01:46:21.400 -> 01:46:32.920] on iRacing. Get in touch if you're an iRacer and I'll give you the details. 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