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It's hard to argue that Carlos Sainz won the 2022 British Grand Prix for Ferrari...and for himself, of course. He literally engineered his own race from the cockpit a la Sebastian Vettel style! But could Ferrari have done better with Charles Leclerc? Just why so much uncertainty when it comes to tyre strategy?
Either way, Leclerc, the only driver on the hard after the Safety Car, was one of the reasons we had the epic 10-lap shoot-out to the chequered flag!
Legendary British commentator Ben Edwards joins us on this episode to re-live and review the 2022 British GP.
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In this episode of the Inside Line F1 Podcast, Ben joins Soumil and Kunal to discuss one of the British GPs in recent times. The start, the crash, the protest, the restart, Sergio Perez's recovery drive, Mick Schumacher's first-ever points finish, Max Verstappen's win-damage-points salvaging drive & more.
And chaotic races such as the 2022 British GP also make for some fun stats-facts; the ever-famous @f1statsguru aka Sundaram also shares his favourites from the same.
The 2022 British Grand Prix was a thrilling race that saw Carlos Sainz claim his first Formula One victory. The race was filled with drama, including a red flag stoppage, a safety car restart, and several intense battles for position. Legendary British commentator Ben Edwards joins the Inside Line F1 Podcast to relive and review the race.
**Key Points**
* Sainz's victory was a special moment for him and for Ferrari, as it was his first win in Formula One and the team's first win of the 2022 season. * The race was chaotic and unpredictable, with the lead changing hands several times. * Sergio Perez drove an impressive race to recover from a poor start and finish second, while Mick Schumacher scored his first Formula One points with an eighth-place finish. * The safety car played a significant role in the outcome of the race, with several drivers benefiting from the timing of the interventions. * Ferrari's strategy calls were questioned by some, particularly their decision to keep Charles Leclerc on older tires during the safety car period. * Lewis Hamilton drove a strong race to finish third, and his performance suggests that Mercedes is making progress with their car. * The battle between Hamilton and Perez was one of the highlights of the race, with the two drivers engaging in several intense wheel-to-wheel battles. * Max Verstappen had a disappointing race, finishing seventh after suffering damage to his car's floor. * Fernando Alonso also had a strong race, finishing fifth and scoring valuable points for Alpine.
**Conclusion**
The 2022 British Grand Prix was a memorable race that will be remembered for its drama and excitement. Sainz's victory was a special moment for him and for Ferrari, and the race provided plenty of talking points for fans and pundits alike.
# Inside Line F1 Podcast: British Grand Prix Review
**Episode Overview:**
- Carlos Sainz's victory at the British Grand Prix was a culmination of his own efforts and Ferrari's strategic decisions. - Charles Leclerc's decision to stay on hard tires during the Safety Car period led to an exciting 10-lap shootout to the finish line. - Legendary British commentator Ben Edwards joins the podcast to review the race.
**Key Points:**
- Sainz's victory was the second-longest wait for a maiden win in F1 history, after Sergio Perez's 190 races. - Sainz is the first driver to win his maiden F1 race on British soil since Johnny Herbert in 1995. - Six drivers retired from the race, including three on the opening lap, making it the most DNFs since the 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix. - Lewis Hamilton led at least one race lap for the 16th consecutive season, extending his record. - Mick Schumacher and Kevin Magnussen both finished in the points for Haas, their first double points finish since the 2019 German Grand Prix.
**Insights and Perspectives:**
- Ben Edwards praises the safety improvements in Formula One, particularly the Halo and roll hoop, which played a crucial role in protecting Zhou Guanyu during his accident. - Edwards emphasizes the importance of consistent stewarding and the need for clear guidelines regarding penalties for incidents like weaving and track limits violations. - Edwards believes that the Austrian Grand Prix, with its mix of slow and fast corners, could be a good track for Ferrari and a potential challenge for Mercedes.
**Controversies and Memorable Moments:**
- The controversial restart of the race after the red flag, with some drivers feeling they should have been allowed to continue racing. - The incident involving George Russell and Zhou Guanyu, which resulted in Russell's retirement and a discussion about the rules surrounding car recovery. - The protestors who stormed the track during the opening lap, highlighting the importance of safety measures and the quick response of the marshals.
**Overall Takeaway:**
The British Grand Prix was a thrilling race with plenty of drama, showcasing the strengths and weaknesses of the competing teams and drivers. The performances of Sainz, Leclerc, and Schumacher were particularly noteworthy, and the upcoming Austrian Grand Prix promises to be another exciting battle.
Raw Transcript with Timestamps
[00:00.000 -> 00:25.280] Now, be honest with me folks, have you all really processed the entire British GP yet? [00:25.280 -> 00:27.600] Now you're joking right aren't you? [00:27.600 -> 00:29.100] It's just not possible to do so. [00:29.100 -> 00:33.640] It's Monday evening right here in India at least and I'm still buzzing, I still can't [00:33.640 -> 00:35.400] get over the British GP. [00:35.400 -> 00:40.860] Such a power packed race with so much of drama and luckily firstly both Joe Guan Yu and Alex [00:40.860 -> 00:44.520] Saad Bhon are okay and that's the most important point but after that it turned out to be a [00:44.520 -> 00:48.680] bit of a comedy of errors, some great racing at the end and such a delightful [00:48.680 -> 00:53.500] surprise at the very end with Carlos Sainz winning and to dissect such a power-packed [00:53.500 -> 00:58.840] race we also needed a very power-packed guest. So today on the Inside Line F1 Podcast we [00:58.840 -> 01:06.000] have Mr. Ben Edwards the voice of the F1 TV broadcast, the first person I actually heard back in [01:06.000 -> 01:09.140] the day here in India on the Formula 1 broadcast when Channel 4 used to have their coverage [01:09.140 -> 01:14.240] and also you may remember him from the Formula 1 race season review documentaries as well. [01:14.240 -> 01:16.800] So it's my pleasure to have you on, sir. [01:16.800 -> 01:19.440] I still can't believe that you're on the podcast. [01:19.440 -> 01:22.880] I'm still having to pinch myself because it's kind of like a dream come true for me. [01:22.880 -> 01:29.000] But the same was the case yesterday for so many fans to see Carlos Sainz win in the first place. Just what a delight. [01:29.000 -> 01:31.840] What a crazy race. So how would you rate it in a way? [01:31.840 -> 01:36.800] I rate it very highly actually. I was commentating it for F1 Live over the course of the weekend. [01:36.800 -> 01:42.800] So I was at Silverstone for the whole event. And it was, it really was a major, major event. [01:42.800 -> 01:45.160] The fans there this weekend were fabulous [01:45.160 -> 01:47.240] I mean there and the support they had all through the weekend [01:47.240 -> 01:54.120] But what to be there to be there for an event like that for a race like that and to say I was there that day [01:54.120 -> 01:57.960] In 2022 at Silverstone you remember that when Carlos Sainz won his first race? [01:58.160 -> 02:06.720] That's going to be something in everybody's diaries history books and memories for for many years come, because that really was quite a special Formula One race. [02:06.720 -> 02:08.920] I've commentated on lots of them, as you said, [02:08.920 -> 02:09.760] over the years. [02:09.760 -> 02:12.560] Excuse the dog in the background. [02:12.560 -> 02:16.360] But yeah, no, it was a fantastic race. [02:16.360 -> 02:18.520] It really was a remarkable weekend, [02:18.520 -> 02:20.840] and well done to Carlos, who's a lovely guy, [02:20.840 -> 02:22.940] and I'm so pleased that he's taken a win. [02:24.560 -> 02:25.000] Absolutely, you know, I keep wondering, you know, and at some point I'm sure we that he's taken a win. Absolutely. [02:25.000 -> 02:27.000] You know, it was, I keep wondering, you know, [02:27.000 -> 02:29.000] and at some point I'm sure we're going to discuss this. [02:29.000 -> 02:30.000] And guys, it's me Kunal. [02:30.000 -> 02:36.000] Yes, I still have the best seat in the house hearing Ben relive [02:36.000 -> 02:40.000] the 2022 British Grand Prix, but coming to Carlos Sainz's win, [02:40.000 -> 02:44.000] sometimes I wonder if he won the race all by himself. [02:44.000 -> 02:45.000] You know, he did what we've seldom or very often we used to say And sometimes I wonder if he won the race all by himself. [02:45.040 -> 02:48.160] He did what we've seldom or very often, [02:48.160 -> 02:50.600] we used to say what Sebastian Vettel was doing, [02:50.600 -> 02:54.560] engineering his race while also racing his race. [02:54.560 -> 02:56.680] And do you get this feeling, [02:56.680 -> 02:59.320] and I'm jumping right in into the wind, [02:59.320 -> 03:02.320] do you get this feeling that he literally did that? [03:02.320 -> 03:03.640] Yeah, it's a good question. [03:03.640 -> 03:04.920] And I'm still wondering a little bit, [03:04.920 -> 03:08.800] because that crucial pit stop that he made under safety car when he went did that? Yeah, it's a good question. And I'm still wondering a little bit, you know, because when that crucial pit stop that he made under safety car, when he went for [03:08.800 -> 03:15.120] the soft tires, which Leclerc did not do, I'm still not 100% sure whether that was partly his [03:15.120 -> 03:21.360] decision. Ferrari had to pit one or other of the two cars, I think. I think their risk, they felt [03:21.360 -> 03:27.660] it was too risky to pit both of them because Hamilton was already on a fresher set of tires than they were, and they were all being bunched up behind [03:27.660 -> 03:28.920] the safety car. [03:28.920 -> 03:33.420] So I can sort of understand, but in a way, when you look back at it in terms of fighting [03:33.420 -> 03:36.880] for the championship, you can say they made a mistake by not bringing Charles Leclerc [03:36.880 -> 03:38.960] in to put in fresh tires as well. [03:38.960 -> 03:41.800] And we all saw how much he suffered, but fought hard. [03:41.800 -> 03:44.660] It was partly what made it so exciting towards the end. [03:44.660 -> 03:45.800] I think Carlos is smart. [03:45.800 -> 03:50.060] We saw his intelligence at Monaco earlier this year when he decided to stay out on [03:50.060 -> 03:52.140] those wets until he went fully onto slicks. [03:52.540 -> 03:53.760] That was good decision-making. [03:53.980 -> 03:55.480] So he does, you're right. [03:55.480 -> 04:01.360] He's got a good process, but I am just not sure that Ferrari are quite at their [04:01.360 -> 04:05.920] peak as a team in terms of tactics, in terms of winning championships. [04:05.920 -> 04:12.080] When you think how brutal they used to be when Michael Schumacher was driving for Ferrari and [04:12.080 -> 04:16.480] Rubens Barrichello was his teammate. And I remember commentating on that race in Austria, [04:16.480 -> 04:20.720] funnily enough, which is coming up next on the calendar, when Rubens genuinely deserved to win [04:20.720 -> 04:25.600] that race. And they told Rubens he had to give the win to Michael and he just backed [04:25.600 -> 04:31.600] off very much out of the last corner. Michael went past, took the win, but that was the mentality back [04:31.600 -> 04:36.640] then. Ferrari's mentality was this is all about Michael, this is all about winning the championships, [04:36.640 -> 04:40.640] no matter how tough this is on the other driver, this is how we're going to work. [04:40.640 -> 04:47.840] It's a different mentality now and in a way I'm happy about that because I like to see them being able to race each other but when [04:47.840 -> 04:50.840] you're thinking about winning the championship is it the right mentality? [04:50.840 -> 04:55.440] Are they getting their tactics right? That is a bit of another question. [04:55.440 -> 04:59.680] That's actually very true and you know something that Matthew Binotto [04:59.680 -> 05:03.480] of course said after the race which I find a little out of place I would say [05:03.480 -> 05:05.760] is he said once again we had the safety car at the wrong moment in the race, which I find a little out of place, I would say, is he said, once again, [05:05.760 -> 05:11.760] we had the safety car at the wrong moment in the race when we were leading comfortably. Now, [05:11.760 -> 05:16.800] you know, of course, the safety car is never out at the right moment, if one was to say it that [05:16.800 -> 05:21.760] way. But you know, two things that I also thought they read a little wrong than some of the other [05:21.760 -> 05:26.080] teams was where they said that the soft did not have as much [05:26.080 -> 05:31.280] of a pace advantage. They thought it would be half a second. It actually turned out to be a second. [05:31.280 -> 05:37.680] And then far worse is when they thought that the softs would degrade much faster than it actually [05:37.680 -> 05:45.900] did. And that's why they actually ended up telling Carlos Sainz. their initial plan to win the British Grand Prix, which Charles [05:45.900 -> 05:51.880] Leclerc was to tell Carlos, okay, you hold back everybody else. [05:51.880 -> 05:55.400] Just didn't make sense to me while seeing it or even right now. [05:55.400 -> 06:01.400] I was commentating with two co-commentators and we all looked at each other when we heard [06:01.400 -> 06:09.440] that on the radio and we just thought, wow, really Ferrari, are you really going to tell your man to hold back the rest? And I thought Carlos handled that very well. [06:09.440 -> 06:13.680] I mean, he did what they asked earlier in the race when they did eventually ask him to let [06:13.680 -> 06:18.160] Leclerc through and you can definitely argue they asked too late. They should probably have let [06:18.160 -> 06:23.440] Leclerc through earlier, but fair play to Carlos. He did exactly what they asked when they asked [06:23.440 -> 06:28.720] them, when they said, let Charles through. But that state that he was able to say, no, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing [06:28.720 -> 06:32.480] this drop back thing. That isn't going to work. And he was totally right about that because [06:32.480 -> 06:38.800] Charles was in trouble on those older tires by then. And to get a race win for Ferrari, [06:38.800 -> 06:43.040] Carlos did the right thing, I believe. So he took the right tactics there. [06:43.040 -> 06:45.640] And so that's why I feel that Ferrari, [06:45.640 -> 06:49.000] tactically, are just not as strong and sharp as you say, [06:49.000 -> 06:52.680] that their assessment of the soft tire was not correct. [06:52.680 -> 06:55.760] It sounded like this is what the soft tire's like [06:55.760 -> 06:57.680] at the beginning of the race on a full tank of fuel. [06:57.680 -> 07:00.280] No, no, you're at the end of the race, 10 laps to go, [07:00.280 -> 07:01.880] you've not got much fuel in the car, [07:01.880 -> 07:04.700] it really is gonna last the race distance, 10 laps. [07:05.200 -> 07:10.960] That's why I do feel sometimes their data recording, their strategy is just not [07:10.960 -> 07:15.200] as sharp. You look at Red Bull, whenever there's a safety car, they always seem to benefit [07:15.200 -> 07:20.480] and once again, it worked for them for Sergio. Yeah, exactly. And I want to discuss that [07:20.480 -> 07:27.120] in more depth. But firstly, we have to take a short break. We'll be back right here in a second. [07:29.800 -> 07:33.480] Hey folks, welcome back into the InsideLine F1 podcast. My name is Somal Arora, the host of the Driving Force on Disney Plus Hotstar. [07:33.480 -> 07:36.320] And along with myself, of course, we always have Kunal, [07:36.320 -> 07:39.760] but we've also got Ben Edwards, the voice of the F1 TV broadcast. [07:39.760 -> 07:42.640] And so we were on the subject of talking about the safety cars [07:42.640 -> 07:46.480] and how Ferrari just always seems to not benefit from them in a way. [07:46.480 -> 07:52.400] Their decision-making is essentially what we're talking about and I want to talk about that middle part of the race before the safety car came in [07:52.400 -> 08:00.400] when of course we saw signs leading in Leclerc second. That drama over the radio, that just seemed like they didn't want to have the blood on their hands. [08:00.400 -> 08:08.840] They didn't want to take any responsibility for anyone's race in a way. So it just felt like indecision. It just felt like they wanted the drivers to decide on [08:08.840 -> 08:14.440] their own. So was that just a sign of boldness or weakness in a way? How would you put it? [08:14.440 -> 08:18.060] It's a very interesting one. And I do understand the difficulties. When you're trying to run [08:18.060 -> 08:22.680] a team, you've got to keep both drivers happy to a certain extent. Otherwise, you lose the [08:22.680 -> 08:27.120] motivation, the power. They're trying to win constructors as well as drivers championship. [08:27.120 -> 08:28.120] So it is a balancing act. [08:28.120 -> 08:29.600] I fully understand it. [08:29.600 -> 08:35.700] When I talked about the Michael Schumacher-Rubens-Barrichello days, it was difficult for Rubens. [08:35.700 -> 08:41.080] He was always felt he was number two and it does make life difficult sometimes. [08:41.080 -> 08:44.400] Don't get that same atmosphere within the team that you want. [08:44.400 -> 08:47.840] Yet I think if they're going for this championship, I think they do need to [08:47.840 -> 08:52.420] make this call in a way that we've got to focus on getting maximum points [08:52.420 -> 08:53.580] for our driver who's ahead. [08:53.720 -> 08:55.620] Mind you, the gap has come down between them. [08:55.620 -> 08:56.500] There's not a huge gap. [08:56.800 -> 09:00.560] So unless they do that fairly quickly, um, science could be right there with [09:00.560 -> 09:02.680] Leclerc and then it gets even more complicated. [09:02.920 -> 09:03.320] So. [09:03.960 -> 09:07.280] Yeah, I, I think they need to get themselves together a bit more. [09:07.280 -> 09:10.540] I do feel that they should have let Leclerc through earlier, probably, [09:10.800 -> 09:15.040] um, to win that race that we could all see Leclerc had a bit more pace than [09:15.040 -> 09:17.300] Carlos, uh, when he was chasing him around. [09:17.480 -> 09:18.520] So why not just let him go? [09:18.520 -> 09:19.640] You can always swap them back. [09:19.660 -> 09:22.960] You know, we've seen teams do that before where they've said, okay, you can go past, [09:22.960 -> 09:25.480] but if this doesn't work, you're going to have to give it back again later. [09:25.480 -> 09:27.240] I think sometimes that is a good approach, [09:27.240 -> 09:29.880] because then you get a bit of freedom between the drivers. [09:29.880 -> 09:31.120] They still have to deliver. [09:31.120 -> 09:33.240] And then it can always be swapped back if it hasn't [09:33.240 -> 09:35.160] worked. [09:35.160 -> 09:36.160] Yep, exactly. [09:36.160 -> 09:39.520] And that's eventually what did happen at the end with Ferrari. [09:39.520 -> 09:41.840] And there's just confusion and disappointment all along. [09:41.840 -> 09:46.100] But how often do we see, say, a driver who's ended [09:46.100 -> 09:50.600] up making more mistakes and who's been ended up giving more lives in a race winning and [09:50.600 -> 09:54.360] the driver who was flawless and more faster in a way, even with a broken car, ending up [09:54.360 -> 09:58.420] finishing it forward. So it's just absurd how things have played out. But many people [09:58.420 -> 10:02.140] on the internet, of course, those who don't quite like Carlos Sainz, it's quite clear, [10:02.140 -> 10:09.120] are saying that this was not a deserved win and he had too many lives on offer. Firstly, of course, the safety car, the red flag restart, that is, [10:09.120 -> 10:13.120] and then of course, the way strategy played out in the safety car as well. So, how would you put [10:13.120 -> 10:18.480] it that way? Was it a deserved win at the end for Carlos Sainz? And just what did he do right [10:18.480 -> 10:24.720] to win at the end? For me, it was. I understand people arguing against the question, but for me, [10:24.720 -> 10:25.180] it was. Now, looking back at qualifying on Saturday, when he got pole position, it was. Um, I, I understand people arguing against the question, but, but for me, it was [10:25.180 -> 10:28.880] now looking back at qualifying on a Saturday when he got pole position, I was [10:28.960 -> 10:33.620] watching his onboard lap, um, the replay of that, you know, Max and Charles [10:33.620 -> 10:34.560] were both pushing hard. [10:34.560 -> 10:35.620] They both made mistakes. [10:35.620 -> 10:38.600] They are both really full on aggressive drivers. [10:38.600 -> 10:41.160] Carlos does have a little bit more caution to him. [10:41.360 -> 10:44.540] That was perfect on Saturday because he kept it on the dry line. [10:44.860 -> 10:47.320] And even though he wasn't particularly happy with his lap, because he hadn't [10:47.320 -> 10:51.000] run a wheel onto the wet anywhere, not, not a single place around the track. [10:51.340 -> 10:51.940] He got pole. [10:51.980 -> 10:53.620] He fully deserved that pole position. [10:54.280 -> 10:58.120] The first start didn't go brilliantly when we had that accident, but the [10:58.120 -> 11:00.500] initial start, Verstappen made a much better start than him. [11:00.720 -> 11:04.120] He dropped a second, but I actually was really impressed with his second start [11:04.440 -> 11:10.480] because Max still made a good start and Carlos was harder than I expected. He did a really good [11:10.480 -> 11:14.960] job through turns one, two, and three to get that lead in front of Max because Max was pushing hard. [11:14.960 -> 11:20.480] We know how aggressive he can be. And I thought, wow, Carlos, that was impressive. You really held [11:20.480 -> 11:25.640] on for that lead. Okay, then he didn't quite have the race pace of his teammate, Charlotte Claire. [11:25.780 -> 11:28.280] I give him that, but he kept his head together. [11:28.280 -> 11:31.580] He kept his mind in the right place and you've got to go for [11:31.720 -> 11:33.040] opportunities when they arise. [11:33.260 -> 11:36.620] And when that opportunity came for him later in the race, he obeyed the [11:36.620 -> 11:39.080] team, first of all, on the instructions. [11:39.080 -> 11:42.920] But when that opportunity came, when he was on the correct tires for him at the [11:42.960 -> 11:49.080] end of the race, and he just soared away. I mean he made a really good restart, zap past, got out in front so [11:49.080 -> 11:53.040] that all the battling we were watching was behind him. He'd got it sorted by then. I [11:53.040 -> 11:59.600] think he fully deserved that win. And he operated it so smoothly as his race engineer eventually [11:59.600 -> 12:04.000] ended up saying on Saturday. But I want to talk about Charles Leclerc here for a second [12:04.000 -> 12:05.360] because now he's [12:05.360 -> 12:10.040] got a deficit of 43 points to Max Verstappen which is still better in a way but had he [12:10.040 -> 12:14.760] won the race which was plausible of course had the pit stop gone in his direction at [12:14.760 -> 12:20.200] the safety car that cap would have been 30. Now how do you console him because after a [12:20.200 -> 12:24.640] race like this there's just more distrust between him and the team that's what you can [12:24.640 -> 12:28.000] put it that way because there's been so many races that the team has cost him now. So, [12:28.720 -> 12:32.560] just how does Ferrari go ahead with this? It's interesting. And you saw that, [12:32.560 -> 12:35.920] I don't know if you saw that conversation he was having with Mattia Binotto after the race. [12:35.920 -> 12:40.400] And Mattia was looking quite firm. He was sort of waving his finger at him a little bit. And [12:40.400 -> 12:45.800] Charles was looking very dull and low. And I think they've just got to regroup a little bit. Charles was looking very dull and low. I think they've just got to regroup [12:45.800 -> 12:49.320] a little bit. I think things don't always go your way, but we've got a long way to go [12:49.320 -> 12:55.240] in this season. And Charles had some bad luck in terms of reliability. Things just haven't [12:55.240 -> 12:59.640] quite gone his way, but if there is a bit of a... it's only going to take a little switch. [12:59.640 -> 13:04.400] And now, speaking of lookalike, we also have to talk about a really special stat about [13:04.400 -> 13:09.000] Carlos Sainz's teammate. And if he ends up having a good year, he could become the first [13:09.000 -> 13:13.840] driver since KK Rosberg to win a world championship. Of course, big could that is considering the [13:13.840 -> 13:17.280] way things are going, but he could be the first driver to win a world championship in [13:17.280 -> 13:22.800] the year that he first won a Grand Prix since KK Rosberg in 1982. So that's a long, long [13:22.800 -> 13:26.600] while ago and it seems unlikely the way things are panning out right now, [13:26.600 -> 13:29.160] but who knows it's a long year and things could really change up. [13:29.160 -> 13:32.640] But sir, I also want to talk to you about other major performers, [13:32.760 -> 13:34.400] especially Sergio Perez, [13:34.400 -> 13:37.600] because for me he has to be one of the eight sleep performers of the weekend. [13:37.800 -> 13:39.760] Now this drive that he had, [13:40.160 -> 13:43.880] you can just look at all his other drives from the past years and just, just say, [13:43.880 -> 13:44.280] well, [13:44.280 -> 13:48.640] we kind of should have expected it because he's done that very often. Comeback king in a way, Sergio Perez, [13:48.640 -> 13:52.560] isn't he? Yeah, he's a great fighter through a race, isn't he? He's not always the fastest [13:52.560 -> 13:57.520] qualifier. As you say, we've seen this for many years. But when he's in a race and when he's fired [13:57.520 -> 14:02.160] up, my goodness, he can be really full on and aggressive. There were moments actually in that [14:02.160 -> 14:05.040] race where I thought he was being a little bit too harsh. [14:05.040 -> 14:10.320] And that initial battle that he had with Leclerc, you know, that was that little bit of contact [14:10.320 -> 14:11.760] damaged on the wings. [14:11.760 -> 14:15.280] I also noticed he touched, when you look at the replay, he actually touched the rear wheel [14:15.280 -> 14:16.280] of Carlos Sainz. [14:16.280 -> 14:20.160] As a result of the contact with Leclerc, he bashed the rear wheel of Carlos Sainz. [14:20.160 -> 14:24.560] We could easily have lost Carlos Sainz at that very early stage in the race. [14:24.560 -> 14:26.000] Sergio is a pretty [14:26.000 -> 14:31.440] hard fighter and that's what he did then and that's what he did at the end as well. Although [14:31.440 -> 14:36.080] Hamilton got squeezed out and maybe had reason to be a little bit upset, I noticed when Hamilton [14:36.080 -> 14:40.240] got out of the car, he didn't seem to have any problems. He said it had just been a really [14:40.240 -> 14:47.620] hard race and Checo was just doing his stuff, I'm impressed with him this year because the, the gaps between him and Max in qualifying [14:47.620 -> 14:49.820] have really come down from where they were last year. [14:49.820 -> 14:51.460] This car clearly suits him. [14:51.460 -> 14:54.100] It suits his style better in qualifying. [14:54.100 -> 14:58.860] And then once we get into the races, if he's got a chance, if he, if he can sense an opportunity [14:58.860 -> 15:02.220] to get a podium, he is absolutely head down and going for it. [15:02.220 -> 15:03.220] And yeah, he came out of nowhere. [15:03.220 -> 15:10.080] I mean, I, you know, that late safety car was fantastic for him but I still wasn't expecting him to be quite as rapid as he was [15:10.080 -> 15:15.040] um I was aware that he was right there but but wow the way he went for it on the restart very [15:15.040 -> 15:21.120] impressive and just the way he was battling wheel to wheel with everybody that was a sight to behold [15:21.120 -> 15:28.000] because we've seen drivers often get messy but he he was, of course, among the other drivers as well in making sure that we got a good show. [15:28.000 -> 15:32.000] And we should talk about that in a second, but my word did the safety car change things up for [15:32.000 -> 15:35.920] Sergio Perez. And with that, he still, of course, secures second in the championship [15:35.920 -> 15:40.640] at this particular stage. So things are actually on the right track for him. And for all of us [15:40.640 -> 15:47.840] who thought that it's going to be a Verstappen versus Leclerc fight only, well, things are changing now completely in this particular Formula 1 season. [15:47.840 -> 15:52.720] But apart from Perez as well, there's another performer that we must, must put our eye on. [15:52.720 -> 15:55.840] And I'm sure, sir, in the commentary box, there was a bunch of delight, [15:55.840 -> 15:59.120] not a bunch of delight, that's not the wrong word, but there was a big sense of delight when [15:59.120 -> 16:04.000] Lewis Hamilton was genuinely clocking in fastest lap after fastest lap on merit. [16:04.000 -> 16:05.040] Not that the Ferrari guys [16:05.040 -> 16:09.760] were slowing down or conserving anything, but he was doing it on his raw pace. So his performance [16:09.760 -> 16:14.880] this weekend was just phenomenal, as we have come to expect of him. We have, and I've commentated [16:14.880 -> 16:20.000] on many races that have stunned me that he has done there at Silverstone over the years. One [16:20.000 -> 16:26.120] of the ones I particularly remember is that wet race in 2008, where he absolutely dominated by one of the biggest wins [16:26.120 -> 16:27.520] in Formula One history. [16:27.520 -> 16:29.920] And, you know, commentating on that race, [16:29.920 -> 16:31.880] I was just bowled away by what he did. [16:31.880 -> 16:34.280] And I've seen him so many times put in amazing efforts. [16:34.280 -> 16:36.800] When he won on three tires a couple of years ago, [16:36.800 -> 16:38.360] you know, he had a puncture on the front tire [16:38.360 -> 16:40.720] and he still ended up winning the race. [16:40.720 -> 16:43.440] He has an extra level at Silverstone. [16:43.440 -> 16:45.000] Even though he's a seven-time world champion, there seems to be another extra level at Silverstone. And though he's a seven-time world champion, [16:45.000 -> 16:47.000] he seems to be another extra level at Silverstone. [16:47.000 -> 16:49.000] And he had it yesterday, there's no doubt. [16:49.000 -> 16:50.000] He was totally on it. [16:50.000 -> 16:53.000] The thing with that Mercedes, they've obviously made progress with the car. [16:53.000 -> 16:57.000] What is a bit challenging is it takes time to get heat into the tyres, [16:57.000 -> 17:02.000] and so he loses out, we saw that on the restarts after Safety Car, [17:02.000 -> 17:05.920] or after the start, when the race first begins, it's tricky on that car. [17:05.920 -> 17:07.880] But once the tires are up to temperature, [17:07.880 -> 17:09.840] it's clearly got some really good pace. [17:09.840 -> 17:12.680] And what I'm thinking, as we go later into the year, [17:12.680 -> 17:14.240] we're into the summer here in Europe, [17:14.240 -> 17:17.440] but we're also going to go into events that are traditionally [17:17.440 -> 17:18.840] very warm, hot events. [17:18.840 -> 17:20.460] I think that's going to help Mercedes, [17:20.460 -> 17:22.960] because they like the high track temperatures. [17:22.960 -> 17:24.640] That's going to suit them well as we [17:24.640 -> 17:28.320] go into this nearly into the second part of the season now. [17:28.320 -> 17:30.240] And I think that could benefit them. [17:30.240 -> 17:32.120] And the fact that they've made the car better. [17:32.120 -> 17:34.520] There were such intricate little modifications [17:34.520 -> 17:38.160] on the floor tray and other aspects to the car this weekend. [17:38.160 -> 17:39.680] They are putting a lot of effort in. [17:39.680 -> 17:40.600] And it's good. [17:40.600 -> 17:42.600] I want three teams to be battling up front. [17:42.600 -> 17:43.900] I think that makes a difference. [17:43.900 -> 17:49.520] We've all seen two teams battling up front for a few years, particularly last year, Mercedes and Red Bull. [17:49.520 -> 17:54.560] We've seen years where we've had Mercedes versus Ferrari. What we want is at least three teams. [17:54.560 -> 17:59.040] And that's if Mercedes can just pick up that pace a bit. I'd love to have seen Russell out there. [17:59.840 -> 18:10.160] It was such a shame that he was involved in that early accident so that he wasn't in the game. But Lewis, yeah, was a real star to watch. And of course, it added so much drama to the fans [18:10.160 -> 18:17.520] and everybody there. I have a very interesting stat, again, courtesy of F1StatsGuru. [18:17.520 -> 18:25.000] Lewis Hamilton has led at least one race lap in 16 consecutive seasons, [18:25.260 -> 18:27.700] then that's a new all-time record. [18:27.700 -> 18:31.200] And, you know, we've just before we actually started [18:31.200 -> 18:34.040] to record, we spoke about how the last 10 laps [18:34.040 -> 18:36.600] of the race should never be seen as highlights, [18:36.600 -> 18:39.560] should always be seen as the best advertisement [18:39.560 -> 18:40.400] of Formula One. [18:40.400 -> 18:42.280] You know, you've got, we've all got friends and family [18:42.280 -> 18:47.880] sitting on the fence and we should use those 10 laps to sort of pull them in closer to our sport. [18:47.880 -> 18:53.280] But, you know, we also spoke about the battle between Hamilton and Perez. [18:53.280 -> 18:59.420] And you know, Perez in a Red Bull, it suddenly seems like, you know, Hamilton's nemesis from [18:59.420 -> 19:00.420] last season. [19:00.420 -> 19:04.880] We saw all the battles they had in Abu Dhabi and Turkey last year and this year as well. [19:04.880 -> 19:07.720] You know, Perez was so aggressive at the restart. [19:07.720 -> 19:13.560] And I liked how Lewis said, man, those Red Bulls are super quick on the straight. [19:13.560 -> 19:18.480] And the one thing that really, for me, is like the red thread or the binding thread [19:18.480 -> 19:27.280] for 2022 is how an energy drinks funded team is being chased by two of the world's best automobile [19:27.280 -> 19:32.480] manufacturers. Ferrari have the car, they're of course trying to build reliability into their [19:32.480 -> 19:37.760] power units. Mercedes have the reliability, they're trying to build the speed into their car and all of [19:37.760 -> 19:43.840] this to chase a Red Bull. And I think that's such a standout factor for me for 2022. [19:44.100 -> 19:45.420] And I think that's such a standout factor for me for 2022. [19:48.880 -> 19:50.840] Yeah, no, it's a great battle and I'm certainly enjoying it. But what we have to bear in mind [19:50.840 -> 19:52.240] is that it is still Vestappen. [19:52.240 -> 19:54.600] He didn't have a good weekend this time, [19:54.600 -> 19:56.220] but he is still the championship leader. [19:56.220 -> 19:58.040] He is still the man on top, [19:58.040 -> 20:00.280] the way he got in front of Carlos Sainz, [20:00.280 -> 20:02.760] and then it was only after he got in front of Carlos [20:02.760 -> 20:08.640] that we saw the effect of the damage on his floor trade that dropped him back. He would have won that race, wouldn't he? We're all very [20:08.640 -> 20:13.440] excited about the fact that we saw a new winner, we saw this great battle up front, but we must [20:13.440 -> 20:18.000] just remind ourselves, Max had a poor weekend, it didn't work out for him, he was likely to have [20:18.000 -> 20:23.600] won that race and I still think that at the moment, Red Bull, Max Verstappen are at the [20:23.600 -> 20:25.800] top of the game and it's going to be tough [20:25.800 -> 20:29.820] for Ferrari to close that gap down. [20:29.820 -> 20:34.820] So in a way we could actually make sure that the piece of carbon that broke Max Verstappen's [20:34.820 -> 20:38.460] underflow is the eights lead performer of the weekend too because had it not been for [20:38.460 -> 20:43.420] that we would have had a completely different race altogether. [20:43.420 -> 20:45.680] And we could have ended up seeing Lewis Hamilton win as well which is [20:45.680 -> 20:50.080] actually the point I want to discuss with you sir because had it not been for the safety car do you [20:50.080 -> 20:54.880] think it was a genuine possibility Lewis perhaps coming ahead of Sainz and Leclerc would you see [20:54.880 -> 21:00.720] that happen in the case? I think it was possible I honestly he was he had such good race pace at [21:00.720 -> 21:09.880] that stage late in the race that I think it's possible that he could have challenged. Now, whether he could have got past both Sainz and Leclerc, I think it would [21:09.880 -> 21:14.000] have taken a little while to get past Sainz and then to get past Leclerc. And we saw how [21:14.000 -> 21:18.920] aggressive Leclerc was being in the closing stages anyway against guys with much quicker [21:18.920 -> 21:24.160] tyres. You know that run through Copse Corner that he and Hamilton had when Hamilton was [21:24.160 -> 21:25.760] on fresh tyres. and I thought, [21:26.560 -> 21:31.520] Hamilton's got this and Leclerc held him off. That was fantastic in a way, really, [21:31.520 -> 21:37.440] and it was clean between them as well. That was impressive. I thought Charles can really fight [21:37.440 -> 21:41.840] his ground. I think Charles probably would have stayed in front if we hadn't had that late safety [21:41.840 -> 21:46.760] car. I think Hamilton may well have finished second, as you say, and we could have had a pretty dramatic couple of laps [21:46.760 -> 21:49.140] in a slightly different pattern to what we ended up with, [21:49.140 -> 21:51.760] but it was dramatic anyway. [21:51.760 -> 21:53.520] SAURABH MADAANAN It was actually dramatic. [21:53.520 -> 21:55.280] And history books will, of course, [21:55.280 -> 21:58.800] read Carlos Sainz had pole, his first pole of his career, [21:58.800 -> 22:01.520] and then he went on to convert his first pole [22:01.520 -> 22:03.040] into his first win. [22:03.040 -> 22:04.640] And that's the summarized version [22:04.640 -> 22:05.120] we read in the [22:05.120 -> 22:12.480] history books but the truth is in that 52 lap race there were just so many times that the probable [22:12.480 -> 22:18.000] race winner changed you know like is it going to be Max who's going to win, is it going to be Carlos, [22:18.000 -> 22:22.160] is it going to be Lewis, is it going to be Charles. There was a point of time at the restart when [22:22.160 -> 22:26.120] people were wondering if Checo Perez would have the pace to go and win as well. [22:26.120 -> 22:28.840] And like I keep saying, it was fantastic. [22:28.840 -> 22:34.640] Yeah, I think at one point I was thinking, if this all goes madly wrong, then Lando Norris [22:34.640 -> 22:35.640] might win this. [22:35.640 -> 22:37.900] And then he got passed, of course, by Fernando Alonso. [22:37.900 -> 22:39.200] So Alonso was in the next one. [22:39.200 -> 22:42.400] So he was obviously hoping they were all going to take each other off, which sometimes happens [22:42.400 -> 22:43.720] when you've got such a close battle. [22:43.720 -> 22:51.120] But to be fair, they all held in there. They all did and Fernando Alonso [22:51.120 -> 22:55.760] he's also another driver that we should talk about because his weekend at the end of the day seems [22:55.760 -> 23:00.240] very astounding when you look at the result but before we get to Alonso on the subject of Mercedes [23:00.240 -> 23:04.000] and Lewis Hamilton his teammate is someone who we should talk about because there's this very [23:04.000 -> 23:07.940] interesting debate that's just been sparked up. Of course, we were very lucky [23:07.940 -> 23:13.180] to see Joe Gwanyu after that accident and when George Russell exited his car or left [23:13.180 -> 23:17.820] his car in a way, he wasn't quite sure of that. So in a humanitarian point of view, [23:17.820 -> 23:21.820] it's very correct of him to kind of get out there, but the regulations are pretty clear [23:21.820 -> 23:27.600] on this. They kind of claim that you just can't do that in a way. So it's not that the regulations want to discourage [23:27.600 -> 23:31.000] humanity at the end of the day but it's just that George forgot about it perhaps [23:31.000 -> 23:34.540] in the heat of the moment and and was it fair from the FI not to let him race at [23:34.540 -> 23:40.000] the end? Well I think what his instinct was was fabulous to see him run [23:40.000 -> 23:43.040] across and see if he could help. I noticed there was a tweet earlier on I [23:43.040 -> 23:46.580] think it was from Callum Islet saying that he'd done the same when he, Calum was [23:46.580 -> 23:50.220] carting and he'd had a, he'd had a rollover and George was one of [23:50.220 -> 23:52.740] the first people there to check, check that he was okay. [23:53.240 -> 23:56.640] Um, it's obviously a very natural part of George's career and life [23:56.640 -> 24:01.200] to, to, to, you know, help out if he possibly can, um, he then [24:01.200 -> 24:04.000] got back in the car, but if he'd man, you know, he did get back [24:04.000 -> 24:10.000] into the car, if he'd managed to fire up straight away and just drive away, I think he would have been all right, but they couldn't get it fired up, could he? [24:10.000 -> 24:16.000] He couldn't, and then by the time he got out of the car again and then they picked the car up, there was no way he was going to be allowed to restart the race. [24:16.000 -> 24:25.600] And I understand his argument a little bit because of the way he jumped out of the car, but I do think, you know think that was fair enough in a way from the rules. [24:25.600 -> 24:30.800] Once they put it up on that flatbed, they weren't going to get it back. It felt like this was all [24:30.800 -> 24:35.040] going to be a bit of a delay. He was trying to get back out, fair play to him. I was talking [24:35.040 -> 24:40.240] in commentary, it was almost reminding me of James Hunt at Brands Hatch back in 1976 when the fans [24:40.240 -> 24:44.160] were so determined he was going to get back out. He did actually get back out, won the race, and [24:44.160 -> 24:47.440] then it got thrown out later on in the year [24:47.440 -> 24:49.040] when he was fighting for the championship. [24:49.040 -> 24:51.240] He lost that win according to the rules. [24:51.240 -> 24:54.360] So it's probably just as well George didn't get allowed out [24:54.360 -> 24:55.920] and then get banned afterwards. [24:56.840 -> 24:59.040] It was sorry not to see him race, [24:59.040 -> 25:01.520] but the rules have to be rules. [25:03.520 -> 25:06.640] And you know, George actually explained this very well that when he [25:06.640 -> 25:13.920] went to check on Chokwan Yu, he told the stewards to keep the car. And before he knew it, by the [25:13.920 -> 25:17.680] time he returned, they literally picked it up and put it on the flatbed and he said, listen, [25:17.680 -> 25:23.040] I just have a puncture. Is there no way I could have just started the car? So it was also some [25:23.040 -> 25:25.560] probably lost in translation in the heat of the moment. [25:25.560 -> 25:29.280] And when I say translation, I don't mean a language because, you know, I'm sure [25:29.280 -> 25:34.240] the marshals were also British, but it's such a comedy of errors that, you know, [25:34.240 -> 25:36.720] yeah, he, he thought he could have finished P6 minimum. [25:37.120 -> 25:37.400] Yeah. [25:37.640 -> 25:37.800] Yeah. [25:37.800 -> 25:41.280] I'm sure he did, but the marshals are also, as we know, extremely keen in the UK. [25:41.280 -> 25:44.640] They do a fabulous job and their job is get this cleared up, get [25:44.640 -> 25:48.440] it sorted as quick as possible. So from their point of view, their job is get [25:48.440 -> 25:52.500] this car out of the way, get the track clear, make everything safe, we'll [25:52.500 -> 25:56.840] be back to racing as soon as possible and they did that really well and fair [25:56.840 -> 26:00.760] play to them. By the way, it was wonderful to see Nadine Lewis, who's the chair of [26:00.760 -> 26:06.000] the British Marshals Club, giving out the podium for second place to Sergio. It's the first time we've seen the chair of the British Marshals Club, giving out the podium for second place to Sergio. It's the [26:06.000 -> 26:09.920] first time we've seen the chair of the British Marshals Club up there on the podium. She was in [26:09.920 -> 26:15.600] the paddock. I spoke to her briefly and it was a great day for the British Marshals and I think [26:15.600 -> 26:19.360] they did a fabulous job. I know it didn't quite work out for George Russell but they didn't do [26:19.360 -> 26:26.680] anything wrong. They did what they are meant to do, get a car out of the way, and they were dealing with the Jogwa News situation as well. [26:26.680 -> 26:28.240] So well played to all of them. [26:30.040 -> 26:31.000] And they were also dealing [26:31.000 -> 26:32.920] with the other unfortunate situation, [26:32.920 -> 26:35.340] which was the protesters who stormed the track. [26:35.340 -> 26:37.520] And I'm actually very glad for once [26:37.520 -> 26:41.880] that we had a red flag just moments after the opening, [26:41.880 -> 26:43.100] after the start of the race, [26:43.100 -> 26:45.560] because had there not been a red flag, [26:45.560 -> 26:49.560] had there been the typical chaotic, aggressive opening lap [26:49.560 -> 26:52.360] and the protesters were still seated on track, [26:52.360 -> 26:54.520] I can't, I shudder to imagine [26:54.520 -> 26:55.840] what could have actually happened. [26:55.840 -> 26:58.280] So in a way, the red flag was, you know, [26:58.280 -> 27:01.080] God sent, if I may put it that way, for Formula One [27:01.080 -> 27:04.000] and more so for those protesters as well. [27:04.000 -> 27:08.720] Yeah, I agree with that. It was a shock to see. I didn't know you know that we had [27:08.720 -> 27:13.620] protesters on track at that stage but it was as you say the timing of the red [27:13.620 -> 27:18.260] flag ironically not that we would ever want an accident like that but the red [27:18.260 -> 27:22.940] flag did help and yeah it got the situation resolved very quickly so that [27:22.940 -> 27:25.440] was very effective. [27:29.440 -> 27:35.840] Actually before we go on to the stats review by F1 Stats Guru I want to talk about the extrication process as well because I suppose when we didn't see the images we kind of took it [27:35.840 -> 27:40.560] for granted right okay there's a big accident but the teams and the extrication team will handle it [27:40.560 -> 27:45.000] properly but after we saw the picture of Zhogwann U's car stuck between the barrier [27:45.000 -> 27:50.800] and the catch fence, their job became so apparent that it was so hard to do. I just want to [27:50.800 -> 27:55.480] know your take on that because everything seemingly worked fine. The roll hoop worked [27:55.480 -> 28:00.240] fine, the halo of course was incredible in its job and importantly as well the catch [28:00.240 -> 28:06.000] fence because luckily no fan or marshal was hurt. So it was the worst possible accident [28:06.000 -> 28:09.760] but with the best possible outcome at the end of the day. It's just fantastic how the FIA [28:09.760 -> 28:15.120] have been pushing on in their quest for safety. There's no doubt the Halo was fantastic. It did [28:15.120 -> 28:19.280] another life-saving job. The roll hoop, I think they may have had a slight problem with actually [28:19.280 -> 28:26.320] with the roll hoop from what I saw ultimately but it didn't end up damaging Jo, which is the main thing. [28:26.320 -> 28:31.960] And the protective work that the FIA have done, I noticed Jean Todt has put out a tweet [28:31.960 -> 28:34.280] about it was well worth going for the Halo. [28:34.280 -> 28:39.800] And I have to say, like many people, I was a bit, does Formula One need this thing? [28:39.800 -> 28:43.240] It looks a bit weird on the cockpit of the car, but I'm so happy they went for it because [28:43.240 -> 28:47.840] I've now seen various incidents. There was the one between Verstappen and Hamilton in Monza [28:47.840 -> 28:53.180] last year where again, I think the halo really could have helped hugely there when they ended [28:53.180 -> 28:58.980] up with one over the other. And watching the Formula 2 race at Silverstone as well, clearly [28:58.980 -> 29:04.220] it helped. So it's been a really fantastic introduction. And I think the fact that they [29:04.220 -> 29:06.360] work so hard on the safety, [29:06.360 -> 29:07.560] lessons learned, for example, [29:07.560 -> 29:09.160] from the Romain Grosjean accident [29:09.160 -> 29:11.160] that have been put into the regulations [29:11.160 -> 29:13.600] that the teams have had to step up again [29:13.600 -> 29:15.840] with some of the aspects of the car. [29:15.840 -> 29:17.400] And one thing that really impressed me [29:17.400 -> 29:19.960] about that accident yesterday, to a certain extent, [29:19.960 -> 29:21.880] those cars were full of fuel. [29:21.880 -> 29:23.840] It was the very opening lap, [29:23.840 -> 29:27.720] but there was absolutely no leakage of fuel that we saw, [29:27.720 -> 29:28.720] no fire. [29:28.720 -> 29:32.360] You know, an accident like that back some years ago, [29:32.360 -> 29:34.560] okay, probably a couple of decades ago now, [29:34.560 -> 29:38.160] but when the fuel protection probably wasn't as good, [29:38.160 -> 29:40.060] that could have been a really horrific accident [29:40.060 -> 29:42.280] where the driver would have had to get out very quickly [29:42.280 -> 29:43.880] if it had caught fire. [29:43.880 -> 29:45.880] He couldn't get out very quickly there. [29:45.880 -> 29:48.560] The fact that all of those regs are so much better now, [29:48.560 -> 29:50.160] I think that was a key part too. [29:51.360 -> 29:53.680] Yeah, and also brilliant in Formula 1's part [29:53.680 -> 29:56.400] not to show any replays until we knew exactly [29:56.400 -> 29:58.000] what the condition of all the drivers was. [29:58.000 -> 30:00.160] So that's also incredible on their part. [30:00.160 -> 30:02.360] But actually, it's now time to head over [30:02.360 -> 30:04.360] to the stats review segment by F1 Stats. [30:04.360 -> 30:07.840] And we've got some really fun ones for you considering all the drama that's [30:07.840 -> 30:11.520] happened this week and so we'll be back in a second but first here's Sundaram. [30:11.520 -> 30:15.760] Hey folks, it's time to do the stats review of the British Grand Prix. What an incredible race [30:15.760 -> 30:20.160] it was and you know such races do tend to give rise to a lot of interesting stats. [30:20.160 -> 30:29.840] So let's talk numbers. Let's get straight into it. Carlos Sainz, he took his first victory after 150 race starts. That's actually the second longest wait in F1 history because [30:29.840 -> 30:36.480] Sergio Perez took 190 races before he won his first race in 2020. Sainz is also the [30:36.480 -> 30:41.800] first driver in 27 years to take the maiden F1 win on British soil. The last one to do [30:41.800 -> 30:46.140] that was Johnny Herbert in 1995. Six drivers retired [30:46.140 -> 30:49.980] from the British Grand Prix, three of which were actually on the first lap itself, but [30:49.980 -> 30:55.660] this race has seen the most DNFs since Hungary 2021. Now I'm sure a lot of Verstappen fans [30:55.660 -> 31:00.860] will remember that race in particular because he suffered extensive floor damage in that [31:00.860 -> 31:09.280] race as well and that was in fact the last time he finished a race but failed to stand on the podium it happened on Sunday as well. Lewis [31:09.280 -> 31:13.800] Hamilton now he had a brilliant race throughout I think he was literally on [31:13.800 -> 31:19.800] it throughout 52 laps and he did lead eight laps in between so he has now led [31:19.800 -> 31:26.560] at least one race lap in 16 consecutive seasons, an all-time record amongst his dozens of other [31:26.560 -> 31:32.480] records that he owns already. The camera showed the images at the Haas camp after the race and [31:32.480 -> 31:37.360] they seemed very very happy with their race result. Mick Schumacher and Kevin Magnussen [31:37.360 -> 31:43.280] both finished in the points, which was the first double points finish since Germany 2019. [31:43.280 -> 31:45.080] Now we're going to be talking about Niklas Latifi. Yes, we we're gonna be talking what Nicholas Latifi. [31:45.080 -> 31:48.520] Yes, we're gonna be talking about him because he actually finished, he [31:48.520 -> 31:52.040] actually was running in the points for the first, for half of the race [31:52.040 -> 31:56.720] distance and but he finished 12th in the end. That was sufficient to see him move [31:56.720 -> 32:01.000] from P21 to P20 in the driver's standings. He's ahead of Nico Hülkenberg [32:01.000 -> 32:04.880] in the driver's championship. He's in P20, maybe a little something for him to [32:04.880 -> 32:09.200] celebrate after the British Grand Prix. That was the stats review. There are actually a lot [32:09.200 -> 32:13.040] more interesting stats from the race. So if you want to see that and probably even hear that, [32:13.040 -> 32:17.920] you can give me a follow on Instagram and Twitter under the name F1StatsGuru. See you guys later. [32:20.080 -> 32:28.420] Hey folks, welcome back into the InsideLineF1 podcast. We were just talking about the crash of Jogwan Niu and how luckily he is totally alright [32:28.420 -> 32:32.140] and also then we went on to the stats review segment for this British GP. [32:32.140 -> 32:38.220] But after a bit of a, let's say, unfortunate crash that happened, we should talk about [32:38.220 -> 32:40.600] something more light and more positive. [32:40.600 -> 32:44.700] And on that subject, I really want to go to Mick Schumacher because his first points, [32:44.700 -> 32:46.600] I mean, who isn't happy today, sir? [32:46.600 -> 32:48.920] It's hard to imagine anyone feeling sad about this [32:48.920 -> 32:50.740] because he's such a likeable figure. [32:50.740 -> 32:52.720] And let's just say it was well-earned [32:52.720 -> 32:54.880] because there were other teams like Al-Fatahri [32:54.880 -> 32:57.520] who of course had a better car and a better starting position [32:57.520 -> 32:59.000] but they couldn't capitalize on the weekend. [32:59.000 -> 33:02.840] So it's not like they just only made the best of the chaos. [33:02.840 -> 33:04.200] They really did it on merit. [33:04.200 -> 33:06.320] Yeah, it was on merit and I was very happy for him. [33:06.320 -> 33:08.940] And the delight on the radio, I thought that was fun [33:08.940 -> 33:11.340] when he was talking to the team at the end there. [33:11.340 -> 33:13.320] He was just so, so happy to have scored [33:13.320 -> 33:15.300] his first points in Formula One. [33:15.300 -> 33:17.560] It's taken a little while, and it's gonna be [33:17.560 -> 33:20.520] very interesting to see how his career develops. [33:20.520 -> 33:22.840] But I think that extra boost of confidence [33:22.840 -> 33:24.280] is something that he needed. [33:24.280 -> 33:27.920] I think this year has been, he was obviously hoping for a stronger [33:27.920 -> 33:29.080] year right from the start. [33:29.080 -> 33:33.240] Kevin Magnussen delivered some excellent results early on, and it was obviously [33:33.240 -> 33:35.160] a bit of a wake up for Mick Schumacher. [33:35.160 -> 33:38.620] You know, it was a bit different to having Nikita Mazepin alongside him last year. [33:38.960 -> 33:43.640] But the response by getting those points this weekend, I think that little boost [33:43.640 -> 33:49.440] in confidence is crucial to his career. Now he's got to stick with that and make it work for the rest of [33:49.440 -> 33:55.080] this season. He's still got a pretty good teammate, which is an excellent comparison [33:55.080 -> 34:00.380] because we all know Kevin Magnussen is a strong Formula One driver. He and Grosjean were always [34:00.380 -> 34:04.600] pretty well balanced. Grosjean sometimes had slightly better single lap pace. Kevin, though, [34:04.600 -> 34:08.400] is a very consistent, very solid driver who has a good relationship within the [34:08.400 -> 34:12.960] team, works well with the team. So Mick has someone really to measure himself against and [34:12.960 -> 34:18.800] for the team to measure him against. So he's got to deliver against Kevin Magnussen. He needed that [34:18.800 -> 34:24.160] bit of confidence. He's got it. Let's see where he goes with it now. Now, I was just about to say, [34:24.160 -> 34:26.560] interestingly enough, he ended up beating Nicholas Adyfi [34:26.560 -> 34:28.800] as well, who had a very starting position. [34:28.800 -> 34:33.040] And that's also a big achievement considering how that race was going on for him as well. [34:33.040 -> 34:37.440] So crazy how things have panned out eventually, you know. [34:37.440 -> 34:41.760] You know, when he was actually battling Max Verstappen, there were certain moments when [34:41.760 -> 34:49.840] I don't think I've ever seen him this aggressive, at least not been captured on TV, because he was battling Max. It reminded me of his dad, you know, there was just [34:49.840 -> 34:54.960] always positioning his car so well. And especially, you know, just on the last lap, [34:54.960 -> 35:00.560] last corner, when he really tried to get Max to the line, some very good moments. And then, [35:00.560 -> 35:09.000] you know, his sister and his mom were on the radio immediately congratulating him because you know he's had to work really hard to get these [35:09.000 -> 35:14.520] points because that Haas car and the Haas team are not the most consistent ones [35:14.520 -> 35:19.200] and you know we were celebrating Perez's recovery drive you know from being last [35:19.200 -> 35:30.960] after lap one or lap two to you know literally getting onto the podium. Mick was 19th and he was behind Kevin McNewson and he actually ended up finishing in the [35:30.960 -> 35:33.400] points and ahead of Kevin McNewson. [35:33.400 -> 35:40.720] Of course, he benefited from the safety car, but pretty much everybody had to use the safety [35:40.720 -> 35:44.080] car to their advantage and he was one of those who actually did that. [35:44.080 -> 35:48.200] Yeah, I hadn't realized until afterwards that Kevin had actually turned down the [35:48.200 -> 35:51.840] offer from the team to come in for tyres. It was his decision to make to do that. [35:51.840 -> 35:55.880] And fair play, I mean, he, you know, a bit like we talked about Carlos Sainz in [35:55.880 -> 35:59.960] Monaco, you know, Carlos did make a good decision on tyres. For Kevin, perhaps it [35:59.960 -> 36:02.880] wasn't the best decision from his point of view, but they got a double point [36:02.880 -> 36:06.080] score and it's been a long time since Haas have had a double point score. [36:06.080 -> 36:08.440] So that was another really good step. [36:08.440 -> 36:10.080] But yeah, I'm pleased for Mick [36:10.080 -> 36:11.600] and let's see how he develops from here. [36:11.600 -> 36:14.360] It was lovely to see the Mick-Sebastian Vettel [36:14.360 -> 36:15.440] relationship too, wasn't it? [36:15.440 -> 36:17.840] After the race, that was great to see. [36:19.440 -> 36:21.600] It's probably Vettel's best birthday gift [36:21.600 -> 36:22.760] since a long, long time. [36:22.760 -> 36:24.880] You know, he got points, Mick got points. [36:24.880 -> 36:27.900] And, you know, just to touch upon what you said about Mark Newsome, [36:27.900 -> 36:32.300] he actually said post-raise, he said this on Wireplay, [36:32.300 -> 36:38.300] that he refused to want to come in because he did not want to double stack. [36:38.300 -> 36:41.900] Right? And that's probably one of the reasons why he refused to want to come in. [36:41.900 -> 36:45.100] So just, you know, there are teams that actually thought of it and didn't do it. [36:45.100 -> 36:48.100] And here there's a driver who thought, no, I don't want to do a double stack. [36:48.800 -> 36:50.100] Yeah, no, it's very interesting. [36:50.100 -> 36:52.200] And no, well played by the team. [36:52.200 -> 36:54.100] They certainly didn't qualify brilliantly. [36:54.100 -> 36:56.500] They were disappointing in qualifying in that wet session, [36:56.500 -> 36:59.700] which is funny because in Canada, they'd both qualified so well. [36:59.700 -> 37:02.600] They were both in the top 10 in Canada in the wet. [37:02.600 -> 37:04.100] And then it didn't really work out in the race. [37:04.100 -> 37:06.080] This has gone completely the other way around. It didn't work for them in the wet 10 in Canada in the wet and then it didn't really work out in the race this has gone completely the other way around it [37:06.080 -> 37:08.960] didn't work for them in the wet at Silverstone on the Saturday but it [37:08.960 -> 37:14.000] certainly worked for them in the dry on Sunday. It's typical Haas isn't it [37:14.000 -> 37:18.080] just the way things work for them it's all really crazy nothing is ever stable [37:18.080 -> 37:22.720] and the same can be said for Fernando Alonso too because just in the darkness [37:22.720 -> 37:25.080] he was able to construct a very good race and [37:25.080 -> 37:29.360] at the end he thought he'd finished fourth but he actually finished fifth. So firstly [37:29.360 -> 37:35.120] sir I want to know your take on his race and more importantly on the weaving issue because [37:35.120 -> 37:39.520] we discussed it briefly at the start about the inconsistency but do you think the FIA [37:39.520 -> 37:43.840] were right not to punish Leclerc because at the end of the day Alonso did something very [37:43.840 -> 37:48.400] similar in Canada and he got bogged down for it so why shouldn't Leclerc because at the end of the day, Alonso did something very similar in Canada and he got bogged down for it. So why shouldn't Leclerc be bogged down for that? [37:48.400 -> 37:52.240] Yeah, I mean, Alonso is always very sharp on the rules and regulations and particularly when he's [37:52.240 -> 37:57.200] just been done for it, as you say, he got done in Canada for weaving on the last lap or so against [37:57.200 -> 38:02.320] Valtteri Bottas. And then he got very cross when he saw Leclerc doing some weaving at the end of [38:02.320 -> 38:06.840] this last race. But Fernando is so sharp, you know, he will always go for anything that he sees [38:06.840 -> 38:12.520] as an opportunity to make a comment or his understanding of of motorsport [38:12.520 -> 38:14.920] and of the tactics are amazing. [38:14.920 -> 38:17.760] I was talking to Eric Boulier recently about him. [38:18.000 -> 38:21.880] He was they worked together at McLaren when Eric Boulier was [38:22.160 -> 38:23.520] team principal for the team. [38:23.520 -> 38:28.160] And he said he tells me that Fernando's understanding, the way he would pick up [38:28.160 -> 38:32.840] information about not just what they're doing, but what other teams are doing. [38:33.020 -> 38:34.440] He's understanding in the race. [38:34.760 -> 38:36.200] He wants information. [38:36.200 -> 38:38.480] He's being told lots of information. [38:38.480 -> 38:40.840] He's taking information from the screens around the track. [38:41.200 -> 38:43.360] He's absolutely absorbing all the time. [38:43.680 -> 38:46.160] You know, who's on what, on what sort of pace. [38:46.160 -> 38:51.440] He has incredible strength in that sense, I think. I think we're seeing a very strong Alonso this [38:51.440 -> 38:57.280] year. Okay, he broke the record for the most laps, the most distance covered in Formula One this last [38:57.280 -> 39:03.680] weekend. But I think what I'm pleased to see even more is that it's like the old Alonso. He is just [39:03.680 -> 39:05.120] as fiery, just as feisty. He [39:05.120 -> 39:09.120] might be about to be 41 years old at the end of the month, but that really doesn't make any [39:09.120 -> 39:14.560] difference. He's still got all that talent and not just talent, but determination, sheer determination. [39:16.480 -> 39:20.960] I just wonder till how long will he be able to keep up this level of performance in a good way? [39:20.960 -> 39:25.040] I mean, I want to see him stretch the limits of imagination. If he can [39:25.040 -> 39:29.440] do something Fangio-esque, winning championships seems unlikely at this stage, but the way [39:29.440 -> 39:40.320] he's driving, he could well be fighting for them if the car is in hand for him. [39:40.320 -> 39:47.360] But also on the stewards as well, in general, how would you rate their performance? Because we were all glad that they didn't interfere at the end, [39:47.360 -> 39:51.840] but would you say that they did well according to what the new guidelines have come in for this year? [39:53.280 -> 39:58.560] I'm feeling a bit lost at the moment, I have to say, in terms of how it's all being stewarded. [39:58.560 -> 40:07.440] I mean, it's not a bad job, but I'm just a little bit lost in terms of consistency. I think I would like to hear [40:07.440 -> 40:12.680] some really strong comments from them a little bit about what they want and what they don't [40:12.680 -> 40:17.280] want. It is a bit of a challenge. I mean, I'm glad in a way that there weren't any penalties [40:17.280 -> 40:22.960] after that race because it was such good racing, but it's such a difficult line because you've [40:22.960 -> 40:29.940] got to have limits. And if you're going to apply penalties, like giving Alonso the weaving penalty in Canada, [40:29.940 -> 40:34.260] you've got to follow that on. And if you're giving penalties for people running wide and [40:34.260 -> 40:39.200] taking an advantage, can you allow that next time? You know, and I do feel at the moment [40:39.200 -> 40:44.240] that there is a bit of inconsistency going on and that the whole race directing side [40:44.240 -> 40:46.360] of Formula One is still not fully settled. [40:46.360 -> 40:49.400] I know it was really upset at the end of last year in Abu Dhabi. [40:49.640 -> 40:52.820] We've got new race directors involved this year and they are very [40:52.820 -> 40:57.000] competent, very experienced, getting into Formula One because they [40:57.000 -> 40:59.600] haven't, either of them been involved in Formula One before. [40:59.760 -> 41:03.860] So that is a step and it takes a time to earn the respect of all the teams. [41:03.860 -> 41:04.820] I know what F1's like. [41:05.100 -> 41:06.600] It takes time to earn your respect, whatever the teams. I know what F1's like. It takes time to earn your respect. [41:06.600 -> 41:08.560] Whatever your role is in F1, [41:08.560 -> 41:11.340] you have to earn the respect of the people you work with. [41:11.340 -> 41:12.520] That takes a little bit of time, [41:12.520 -> 41:14.820] and I think that's still going on at the moment. [41:16.640 -> 41:18.360] Talking of Fernando Alonso, [41:18.360 -> 41:22.040] he actually is the only other Spaniard [41:22.040 -> 41:27.860] to have won a Grand Prix with Ferrari, of course, but in 2010, one of those memories that come. [41:27.860 -> 41:30.640] And coincidentally, that was also the race [41:30.640 -> 41:32.360] when Lewis Hamilton came third. [41:32.360 -> 41:36.200] And again, this is another stat, courtesy F1 Stats guru. [41:36.200 -> 41:40.080] And Ben, absolutely, there has to be consistency, [41:40.080 -> 41:41.700] especially that's what we all want, [41:41.700 -> 41:44.960] the adjudication of all these wheel-to-wheel battles [41:44.960 -> 41:47.720] should be without biases, should be as fair. [41:47.720 -> 41:50.840] But I must say, I was very relieved yesterday [41:50.840 -> 41:54.600] when Race Direction did not get involved [41:54.600 -> 41:56.200] in those last 10 laps. [41:56.200 -> 41:57.600] They noted a lot of incidents. [41:57.600 -> 42:00.280] They were very quickly also saying [42:00.280 -> 42:01.880] no investigation necessary, [42:01.880 -> 42:03.200] and I'm pretty glad about that [42:03.200 -> 42:08.040] because what we saw, like you said, you want three teams to fight in Formula One [42:08.040 -> 42:10.840] and we actually have never seen such a battle. [42:10.840 -> 42:14.200] It was, you know, it was Formula 1S or Formula E-esque, [42:14.200 -> 42:15.560] if I may put it that way, you know, [42:15.560 -> 42:19.440] pretty much everyone out there is able to launch an attack, [42:19.440 -> 42:21.120] go battle, make a defense. [42:21.120 -> 42:22.780] And this is what I, you know, [42:22.780 -> 42:24.840] I say this is the truth about overtaking, [42:24.840 -> 42:26.160] not just flicking [42:26.160 -> 42:32.320] a DRS wing open and driving past. What we actually want to see are drivers battling on track for [42:32.880 -> 42:38.320] literally every inch of the corner they can. Yeah, I agree. It was fantastic to watch and [42:38.880 -> 42:44.400] penalties coming up afterwards or awaiting for decisions on penalties, that's always such a blow. [42:44.400 -> 42:48.560] I remember being in Austria a few years ago when Verstappen did win the race, [42:48.560 -> 42:51.960] but there was an argument about whether he had deserved to win it. [42:51.960 -> 42:55.960] And we were all hanging around for so long, waiting for this Steuers decision. [42:56.240 -> 42:58.640] And so you couldn't kind of celebrate in quite the same way. [42:58.640 -> 43:01.240] Whereas at Silverstone yesterday, once they'd said, you know, we're [43:01.240 -> 43:02.520] not taking any action on all this. [43:02.520 -> 43:08.800] Everybody could just enjoy the moment, enjoy the podium. We knew that was how it was. So actually, yeah, I think they carried it off [43:08.800 -> 43:15.200] very well. And luckily for us, we know that Silverson can produce such good racing. [43:15.200 -> 43:19.600] Austria comes up next, of course, just right on the money. And that's a circuit where we've also [43:19.600 -> 43:24.080] seen some great battling in the past. And if I remember correctly, 2019, that was the year when [43:24.080 -> 43:30.160] we first properly saw a Leclerc vs Verstappen battle in Austria for the race win so we could be on for [43:30.160 -> 43:34.720] a repeat telecast next time around and I think nobody will be having a complaint about that so [43:35.520 -> 43:39.840] how are you looking forward to in terms of Austria so do you think it'll just be them or perhaps we [43:39.840 -> 43:43.920] could have now rejuvenated Carlos Sainz in the mix as well because that seems like the most [43:43.920 -> 43:47.040] exciting thing to have four cars properly fighting for the race win. [43:47.040 -> 43:49.060] What more could you ask for? [43:49.060 -> 43:51.420] I could ask for six cars to be fighting for the win. [43:51.420 -> 43:54.660] Whether it's going to work for Mercedes, I don't know. [43:54.660 -> 43:56.440] Because Austria is a bit of a funny track. [43:56.440 -> 43:59.100] And the Red Bull is very quick in a straight line, as we know. [43:59.100 -> 44:01.020] The Ferrari is very quick through slow corners. [44:01.020 -> 44:03.140] And there are quite a few slow corners in Austria. [44:03.140 -> 44:07.140] So I think the Ferrari is going to be very strong there. It's such a short lap though. Remember in [44:07.140 -> 44:12.300] qualifying in Austria, the difference in your lap time when they're so close, it will literally [44:12.300 -> 44:18.320] be one thousandth, two thousandths of a second because it's a very short lap distance. So [44:18.320 -> 44:23.220] it's an incredibly difficult one to get. Absolutely, you've got to get it so perfect. And that [44:23.220 -> 44:29.120] first corner in particular is an easy one to run wide, make a mistake. So I'm looking forward to it. I think it is going to be [44:29.120 -> 44:33.600] another very close battle between Ferrari and Red Bull in particular, whether it's going to [44:33.600 -> 44:39.040] work so well for Mercedes. I don't know, they might work because the slow corner speeds, [44:39.040 -> 44:43.440] and I noticed that Perez said to Hamilton after the race when they were having their battle, [44:43.440 -> 44:47.560] go, you had really good speed down at turn seven, [44:47.560 -> 44:49.200] which is Luffield corner at Silverstone. [44:49.200 -> 44:50.520] That is a slow corner. [44:50.520 -> 44:51.800] And so it makes me think, [44:51.800 -> 44:54.760] maybe Mercedes actually could have some decent performance. [44:54.760 -> 44:55.840] So that's what I want. [44:55.840 -> 44:57.800] I want to see all three teams battling. [44:59.160 -> 45:01.160] You know, if at least in my memory, [45:01.160 -> 45:04.760] Mercedes' worst reliability record has been at Austria. [45:04.760 -> 45:08.400] And I'm hoping that that's something, yeah, I'm hoping that's something that [45:08.400 -> 45:11.920] they've worked towards because they've not had reliability issues this year, [45:11.920 -> 45:13.680] which pretty much is fantastic. [45:13.960 -> 45:19.280] And then we've also got the sprint race this weekend, which I think again, the [45:19.280 -> 45:23.780] short, uh, you know, lap around Austria, you know, with a lot of overtaking [45:23.780 -> 45:27.440] opportunities as well, will make for a very [45:27.440 -> 45:29.840] fun weekend, I guess. [45:29.840 -> 45:32.000] Yeah, I think so. [45:32.000 -> 45:35.760] The sprint race will certainly liven things up a bit because, as you say, overtaking is [45:35.760 -> 45:39.640] possible, but it's also possible for it to go slightly wrong, have a spin. [45:39.640 -> 45:45.740] If you qualify well, but spin out in the sprint well, then you've got a really difficult Sunday coming up [45:45.740 -> 45:47.020] to try and fight your way through. [45:47.020 -> 45:47.780] But you've got to judge it. [45:47.780 -> 45:49.820] You've got to, you still want a good grip position. [45:49.820 -> 45:53.220] You've still got to fight for it in the sprint race itself. [45:53.220 -> 45:55.860] So yeah, I think that's going to be an interesting combination [45:55.860 -> 45:57.540] there. [45:57.540 -> 45:59.780] And who would you put your money on for this weekend? [45:59.780 -> 46:02.460] Now, I've been backing Carlos Sainz all the way [46:02.460 -> 46:03.220] through the season. [46:03.220 -> 46:09.200] And I'm glad that it finally did come off. So I'm also going to continue on for him just for fun. But who would you put your money on for [46:09.200 -> 46:13.040] the final race? Because the sprint, I suppose it's a bit too hard to determine right now, isn't it? [46:13.840 -> 46:17.920] Yeah, I think I'm going to go for Leclerc because we've seen that battle that he's had with Verstappen [46:17.920 -> 46:26.200] in the past. And we know how strong the Ferrari is this year. There is a long straight though after [46:26.200 -> 46:30.280] turn one, that will help Red Bull. I mean, the Red Bull is good everywhere, there's no [46:30.280 -> 46:34.800] doubt about it, the Red Bull is going to be tough to beat. But I'm just going to probably [46:34.800 -> 46:39.920] go for Leclerc and believe that he may well, it might actually come right for him at last [46:39.920 -> 46:44.520] because he's been leading a lot of laps, a lot of races, but it's a while since we've [46:44.520 -> 46:45.000] seen him [46:45.000 -> 46:46.420] actually take victory in Australia. [46:46.420 -> 46:49.220] So, you know, we're just gonna have to see what happens. [46:51.080 -> 46:53.620] Australia does seem so long ago. [46:53.620 -> 46:57.180] And since we've got a Carlos, we've got a Leclerc, [46:57.180 -> 46:59.180] I'm gonna go with Max Verstappen. [46:59.180 -> 47:01.420] I think he's gonna pick things up [47:01.420 -> 47:03.420] from where he couldn't in Silverstone [47:03.420 -> 47:05.200] because of an alpha towery [47:05.200 -> 47:09.840] debris being lodged in his car and damaging his floor. And I think he's going to win it at home [47:10.480 -> 47:15.200] for Red Bull in front of, I think, what, 30,000, 40,000 Dutch fans out there. [47:15.200 -> 47:20.640] Yeah, they always have a massive grandstand for Max. I have to say that they do it very well. It's [47:20.640 -> 47:25.120] very enjoyable to see the Dutch fans there giving him tremendous support. [47:25.120 -> 47:30.780] And of course, it's the Red Bull ring, so it's always a good one for the team to deliver [47:30.780 -> 47:34.120] on as their home event in some ways. [47:34.120 -> 47:39.600] Absolutely. It's in a way the Dutch GP before the Dutch GP. And let's hope that that weekend [47:39.600 -> 47:44.200] also ends up going well. But sir, it was a pleasure to have you on the Inside Line F1 [47:44.200 -> 47:48.540] podcast. Such a fun episode this one, at least from my perspective, because I really enjoy listening [47:48.540 -> 47:52.700] to all your perspectives on this. But folks, I hope that you've had a good time as well. [47:52.700 -> None] But seriously, thank you so much for taking the time out for this. you